John Roberts is Bush Pick for SCOTUS

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What I've heard so far makes me cautiously optimistic. He might not be the Scalia or Thomas we were hoping for, but he really seems to be a lot better then O'Connor was. His membership to the pro-RKBA federalist society is also a hopeful pointer to how he would rule on 2nd amendment cases.

But everything points to him getting confirmed, with or without liberal/left or right-wing hysterics. His credentials are truly impressive, a lot of conservatives consider him top-notch, I think we're ahead of the game at this point.
 
the stance of EVERY politician on that issue would suddenly be important to a lot of people because it would no longer be a decided issue.
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Perhaps, but it would drop down to the state level. Where it belongs.
 
man, when you guys said "moonbats at DU" you weren't kidding! those forums are wacked!


i'm in the cautiously optimistic camp on roberts.
 
omg, it suddenly becomes a risky issue
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I'm not sure that's true. The dems went into a fury over the sunset of the AWB and it did not help Kerry, or more telling, the dems in Congress one iota.

One thing to consider regarding Roe v. Wade is that if it is overturned, that will effectively move it to the state level and I think any attempt by Congress to pass a partial-birth abortion ban will be dead on the same grounds (not addressed by the Constitution, therefore no federal authority).
 
I agree that moving it to the state level would be more appropriate for constitutional reasons, but I dont want to see the republicans lose their majority and no longer be able to repeal gun control laws for us.

Oh wait....

Speaking of which, I have been searching my ass off on google and it is as if John Roberts has neither touched a gun nor said the word gun his entire life. Not exactly an Alito or a Kozinski.
 
I was with you beerslurpy, until:

I dont want to see the republicans lose their majority and no longer be able to repeal gun control laws for us.
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Did I miss some major legislation somewhere. GOP just doesn't pass gun control as fast.
 
Uh, Rock Jock one little thing. Bush and congress already passed a partial-birth abortion ban two years ago. It would have become law except that a liberal activist judge in Nebraska I think, overturned it. Only liberals would see it as OK to keep convicted murderers off death row while saying it is Ok to induce labor on an INNOCENT child and then suck out it's brains. Actually I don't care if the government allows abortion as long as they call it what it is. MURDER! no other way around it.
 
But this take on Roberts puts some of his biggest boosters in a quandary. They praise Roberts as a brilliant, fair-minded lawyer with a perfect judicial temperament. But can that image as an open-minded jurist co-exist with also being viewed as a predictable conservative?
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Actually, conservatism is not an ideology. It is anti-ideological. It means a belief in limited government, strict construction, local vs central government control, the rule of law, that is to say, liberty under law. So if he is truly a predictable conservative, he will exhibit judicial temperament, which is what we want, i.e., he will not be a judicial activist, and will enforce the Constitution. Since the Constitution is a conservative document, that favors the conservative cause. Conservatism equals good government.

By the way, being opposed to Row does not indicate that someone is lacking in judicial temperament, as some are suggesting. Row is well known to have been bad law. A reversal of Row would simply put the issue back to the states, where it belongs.
 
Holy Guacamoly, the DU moonbats are off their meds and bouncing off the walls!

Not only are they predicting the apocalypse when Roberts is confirmed, they're still going on about Rove, even though it's been well proven he's innocent.

Hopefully it'll get more of them to move to Canada. Although if all of them had kept their promise to move after the election, the DU boards would have half the posters.

At least it'll be entertaining reading when Roberts sails through the confirmation.
 
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Speaking of which, I have been searching my ass off on google and it is as if John Roberts has neither touched a gun nor said the word gun his entire life. Not exactly an Alito or a Kozinski.
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Ditto. I keep finding this over and over, but nothing about his position on guns. The fact that he's on of the "least contentious picks for the bench" has to be a little bit worriesome.

John G. Roberts

Where: Roberts, 50, who has been on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit since June 2003, was one of President Bush's least contentious picks for the bench.

Reagan connection: Roberts, a former Rehnquist law clerk, was associate counsel to President Reagan 1982-86 and then served in the first Bush administration arguing cases before the Supreme Court 1989-93.

NCAA, Toyota: During the Clinton administration, Roberts became a highly sought-after private lawyer in Supreme Court cases, representing clients such as the National Collegiate Athletic Association in a discrimination case and car-maker Toyota in winning limits on a disabled worker's claims.

No dice in '92: Roberts had been in line to join the appeals court in 1992, but his nomination during the first Bush administration died in a Democratic-controlled Senate.

On the issues: Roberts has generally avoided weighing in on disputed social issues. Abortion rights groups, however, have maintained that he tried during his days as a lawyer in the first Bush administration to overturn Roe vs. Wade.
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Link (may not work, it's a google cache)
 
The critics are raving... for the summer movie... that will BLOW... YOU... AWAY:

THE WAR OF THE ROBERTS
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"Crazed fundie freak!" -- HanoiBill
"Jackbooted goose-stepping blackshirt thug!" -- NJTroskyite
"Freaking nobody...!" -- MaoTseTom
"White guy!" -- AfroCentric
"Look at his eyes..........." -- LiberalInsurgent
"A WASP hard-core neo-con!" -- AntiRush
"WE R FUQD!" -- Ebonicator
"The country you knew is gone!" -- SpankBush
"An illegitimate judge product of an electoral fraud!" -- DickDurbin

(The quotes are from DU, but I made up the names... except for LiberalInsurgent :eek: )
 
I was with you beerslurpy, until:

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I dont want to see the republicans lose their majority and no longer be able to repeal gun control laws for us.


Did I miss some major legislation somewhere. GOP just doesn't pass gun control as fast.
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omg lol sarcasm

The republicans have been really disappointing on the gun control issue. Why should they stop now?
 
I keep finding this over and over, but nothing about his position on guns.
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The reason you probably haven't found his opinion on guns is he probably has never considered it in-depth, the way he would have to in a SCOTUS case. The arguments in Emerson are pretty compelling. One would have to intentionally turn their back on a strict interpretation of the Constitution to ignore them.
 
Overturning Roe v Wade would have the same effect as the AWB- it would split the Republican party
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I don't see an overturn of Roe V Wade harming Republicans because the day after the overturn abortion will still be legal in all 50 states.

All Roe v Wade does is prevent individual stated from outlawing abortion ... just how many states do you think would fast-track abortion bans if Roe v Wade were overturned?


For reasons other then abortion Roe v Wade is bad law.

If the majority of Americans are really as rabidly pro-abortion as the DNC would have us believe then they don't need Roe v Wade.



I'd still like to see where this guy comes down on US vs. Miller ;)
 
[highlight]Enough on the abortion issue.[/highlight]

LawDog
 
Did I miss some major legislation somewhere. GOP just doesn't pass gun control as fast.
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You did miss something - on the state level, the GOP has indeed done a whole lot for the RKBA.
 
Hopefully it'll get more of them to move to Canada. Although if all of them had kept their promise to move after the election, the DU boards would have half the posters.
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they have internet access in canada
 
I know the real effect Roe v Wade has had and I am familiar with the opinion. I am just concerned that it will suddenly jump to the forefront of a lot of house/senate elections like all other state-based issues like gun control and environmentalism. Getting people to understand that the 10th amendment has precedence over the supremacy clause is hard.

I agree that it certainly is an area that belongs to the states, as per the 10th amendment, if you take an originalist approach.

I have trouble getting around the 14th for a lot of 10th amendment issues tho. I wouldnt weep if the SCOTUS said that the 14th amendment doesnt make the bill of rights binding on the states so much as it just guarantees the rights of natural law/due process/etc.
 
I may not be happy with this pick. If I remember right he heard the NRA/Kopel case Seegers???? it think that was the one and said there was no standing. It think he also asked one of his law clerks to check and see if D.C. had a militia?(sounded sarcastic to me) Now I may be wrong and I hope so.
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Your wrong. That was before Sentelle, Tatel and Williams. Not familiar with Williams but I know both Sentelle and Tatel very well (professionally, at least).
 
I wish his views on the 2A were more known.

However, I find comfort in this statement: "Roberts noted with deadpan wit that "the hapless toad ... for reasons of its own, lives its entire life in California," and therefore could not affect interstate commerce."

That's a bit of reasoning that's been lacking in congress and the judiciary in recent years.

Holding my breath...
 
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