Jon Gosselin denied his RKBA....

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Sorry for the misleading title I should have worded it less factually. I just found this article interesting and figured I'd post it. I don't watch the show but now the Gosselins are in the news again and now guns are involved.

There are no real facts yet but apparently the media is making a big deal of the fact that this guy is a gun owner.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-...eporting-provides-more-questions-than-answers

When we last visited the hapless Gosselins (and who knew we would ever make a return visit?), Kate was undergoing a life-transforming experience by wearing a pink cowboy hat, riding a horse named Banjo and getting an introduction to shooting guns. Jon, meanwhile, was in drag.

This time, it's legally-embattled Jon's turn to man the guns, and it looks like it's gotten him into hot water, per MyFoxPhilly.com's "Judge Bars Guns At Jon Gosselin House":

Judge Arthur Tilson issued the court order Thursday in Norristown, Pa., after Jon Gosselin was photographed on Wednesday in Wernersville, Pa., shooting a .38 pistol on his property.

The judge also ordered Gosselin to register his pistol at a new address in Pennsylvania within 90 days.

Here's the thing--or rather, several things:

The headline would have us believe all guns are now banned at the house by all people. I suspect the order does not include Kate or anyone else, but couldn't tell based on how this is being reported.

Per NRA-ILA state gun laws, there is no requirement to register handguns in Pennsylvania.

If Gosselin divorce proceedings had resulted in a restraining order against him, Jon would not be allowed to possess a gun and the judge would have issued a very different order.

Wernerville PA is a rural area. Restrictions, in terms of noise ordinances, requiring shooters to be a minimum distance from structures, etc., are up to local government.

So I went to the Berks County website, and could find nothing of relevance there. I called the Berks County Sheriff and they told me to call the township. Wernersville, I was informed, is part of Lower Heidelberg. The lady there told me their ordinances are not online and she does not know, and referred me to the police. I spoke to a real nice sergeant there who has not heard anything about this story, but nonetheless informed me shooting occurs all the time during various hunting seasons, and he was unaware of any ordinance prohibiting it.

Which left me one call to make--Judge Tilson's office, to ask what rationale or law authorized the order. I told the lady who answered the phone who I was and why I was calling, and she replied (drumroll):

"I'm sorry, I do not wish to comment on it."

So what other reasons could there be? There's no evidence he made any threats--if he had, we'd be looking at a different headline. Safety? The only thing evident in terms of unsafe gun handling practices is I don't see where Jon is using ear or eye protection. It hardly seems a gun ban order or a registration order are warranted (how would one go about complying with the latter, by the way?).

The only thing that's obvious about this story is we really have no idea what is going on.

Which seems the perfect segue into noting Celebuzz is so indignant, they're asking their readers "Should Jon be allowed to own (or even touch) a gun?"

Nothing like having our rights defined by the least informed/most trivial-minded among us...which is typically the way it works, especially when "Authorized Journalists" are trusted to report on guns.
 
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So, uh, who are they? Someone important? Oh, wait. I think I saw one of their faces for a few seconds while scanning from the history channel to the military channel. Looked like a couple of Warholian freaks living out their 15 minutes so I just moved on. Something about a bunch of kids. Didn't seem important.
 
They should have never been given a celebrity status... Having sextuplets is not big news when the world is in the state that it is in... They made millions of dollars exploiting the lives of their children, and the world ATE IT UP...
 
WHO he is doesn't matter.

What matters is the Judge in a divorce (one where there is no evidence or even claim of one spouse being a threat to the other) is just making up gun laws as he goes. If registration does not exist, how does the guy register it?
 
Whether you or we think it is (or they) are important is not the issue. Yes, if he was not on television we would not have heard of this.

What is important is can a judge bar you from owning firearms when you have had no criminal charges or a restraining order against you if there are no other ordinances preventing you from shooting in a rural area on your own property or laws requiring you to register a hand gun etc.

If you (anyone here) were going through a divorce and a judge bared you from firearms for no known good reason would you call the NRA-ILA for legal support, would you be shouting to high heaven about your "God given rights" being denied?

I actually am curious about the reasons why the decision was made. Maybe there is more to it than is being mentioned by the OP's link/post.
 
I should have mentioned this in my opening post.

PLEASE don't turn this thread into a discussion about the show. Whether this guy is famous or not makes no difference if he was truly denied his RKBA for illegitimate reasons.
 
Well, without the entire story, and not knowing the circumstances of the gun issue, I would only assume that Kate did not feel safe with Jon shooting a gun off the back porch. We do not know if the children were present, either inside or out roaming the woods of their estate. They share joint custody of the children, and the children "own" the house. Kate and Jon take turns living at the house, and only the children are the permanent residents...

As for the judge requiring him to register the gun, that is is touchy situation... Their divorce involves 8 children and millions of dollars in assets... so, who knows what the judge was thinking, or if there is method to the madness... Or the judge may have been wanting to set an example for a highly publicized divorce... Is it right? Is it wrong? Is the judge covering his own a** because the nature of the case? Who knows...

Also, there are tons of people that surround their property... Paparazzi everywhere... stray bullet possibility...
 
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Given that after all the legwork the story was unable to be corroborated, and given that the original source ain't exactly a scholarly journal, has anyone given thought to the possibility that it coul all be a bunch of bunk?
 

For the record he is just some idiot who gained fame for being the father of a bunch of kids and got a tv show because of it called Jon and Kate Plus 8. Something happened with their marriage and for some reason people actually care and it makes the news.:rolleyes:

That's about all I know and all I care to know.

Moving on.....
Given that after all the legwork the story was unable to be corroborated, and given that the original source ain't exactly a scholarly journal, has anyone given thought to the possibility that it coul all be a bunch of bunk?

I wouldn't be surprised. Just another attempt for the media to villainize gun ownership to make headlines for no reason.
 
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...he was truly denied his RKBA for illegitimate reasons.
Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. We don't know.

Without facts, this is truly a waste of time.
 
Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. We don't know.

Without facts, this is truly a waste of time.

Sorry to waste your time:rolleyes:

The article in the original post is not reporting a news event it's commenting on how the media is reacting to this guy owning a gun. It points out that there are no facts and yet the media is quick to jump all over the possibility that this guy is a danger because he owns a gun and is also going through marital and financial troubles.

I should have titled the thread differently, it's misleading and I apologize. I'll try to make my intention for posting this more clear in the OP so it's less misleading.
 
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I saw that "news" as well - and while I'm certainly not impressed with Jon Gosselin, the first thing I wondered was that if he can legally own and use a firearm why is it even news at all? Just because he's going through a very public and ugly divorce? Just another attempt by the media to take a swipe at gun owners is my opinion, there's no info in the article that indicates why his having a handgun is a problem.
 
So, uh, who are they? Someone important?
Yes, they are someone VERY important, they are law abiding citizens of the United States of America. With inalienable constitutional rights.

If this can happen to them it can happen to YOU.
 
With inalienable constitutional rights. This was the intention, however it is no longer the reality sad to say! Now how do we get them back?
 
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