Just cast my first lead bullets!

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GIJOEL

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Like the title says... Why have I been buying lead for all those years? It's so easy, melt, skim, prep the mould, pour pour pour, cast cast cast. So enough with my light bulb moment, here is the question. While I know the alloy content of the lead can change the finished weight of the bullet, does the alloy content effect the size out of the mould? I am using a Lee 6 cavity aluminum mould for 45 acp 200gr SWC and a Lee aluminum 2 cavity mould for .312 155gr for 7.62x39 The bullets I cast (for the 7.62x39) today measure .311-.310, using the same alloy I got .455-.457 in the 45 acp mould. So what gives? The .45 bullets dropped with room to size them down, but the .312's are small?
 
Now you've gone and done it! Bullet casting is a whole new hobby, and can quickly become an obsession.

In answer to your question, you can vary the size of the dropped bullets by varying the alloy. The more tin and antimony in the alloy, the larger the bullet will be. The tin helps to fill out the mold and the antimony will make the bullet slightly larger. There are whole books written on the subject, but I'd suggest getting Lyman's Cast Bullet Manual. It will explain in detail what each part of the process does, and will provide a lot of loading data to boot.

You can also enlarge the .312 mold by coating a bullet from it with metal polish and spinning it inside the cavity with the blocks closed on it. You just drill a small hole in the center of the base of one of your bullets and insert a mandrel for a hand drill. Use the slowest speed and check often, since aluminum doesn't take much to enlarge it.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
Yep. The alloy used affects both the size and weight. Use of a more pure lead alloy results in bullets that are smaller in diameter and heavier than an alloy that has more tin and antimony in it. Suggest you save up your $$$ and buy a resizer. Congrat's on delving into a part of reloading that can save you some serious bucks, yet few venture into.

Don
 
How long does it take to cast bullets??? Also, how cheap is it?
I just made about 1000 125 grain 9mm bullets in about 3-4 hours. I get all my lead for free at local tire garages, so I only needed to buy about 1000$ worth of casting toys to make free bullets!

Seriously, casting can be a life-long obsession, but there's no greater satifactoin than shooting something with your own home-made bullet!
 
I spent $40 on the lee 10 pounder, $50 on a turkey fryer, $60 on 3 molds, a thermomoter for $25 and I think thats it.

$1000? Wow... you must have some NICE STUFF!!
 
No need for an expensive resizer.
Lee has push-through resizers available for less than $20 and include a bottle of ALOX lube. They work great!

The comment above about honing with a bullet are correct.

What I do is pour each cavity. Strike the sprue and let it harden. Clamp the mold together (gently) and then drill a hole in the center of each bullet. I screw a self-tapping screw into the bullet. Then I use my cordless drill with a nutdriver in the chuck on low speed to spin the bullet in the cavity. Smear a little Comet powder slightly moistened on the side of the bullet for abrasive. Spin slowly for a minute or so and check the cavity. You can get them mirror bright and this helps the bullets fall out of the mold better as well as uniforming the size of the bullet.
 
I use the lee sizer too. I find that for the pistol rounds, my lee molds throw a perfect boolit every time so they just go through the sizer perfectly.
 
I got the lyman sizer with heater. I heard that the stick on wheel weights are too soft, does anyone use them? Or just the clip on weights?
 
alloy, temp & "SMOKING" the mold will affect the dia. of dropped boolits

If ya need a little more dia. take a boolit & spin it in the cavity with fine lappin compound ,then clean it with powdered comet cleaner or tooth paste .

Don`t cut too long as the more ya spin the more the sharp corners of the mold go away.

I have a bunch of lee 2 holers & most have been cleaned up this way & drop .002 over & never have to tap em to get the boolits out !!!

As far as sizin, if alox & lee push thru will work for ya go for it .
I can`t shoot alox , it stops my head up NOW !!!

I size with a Lyman & use carnauba red lube from white label lubes.
I do have 2 & they meet my needs , there`s faster but more $$$

For revolver boolits I try for 10-11 BHN & that meets my needs , I reserve WW for upper level rifle loads.

For more info go here http://castboolits.gunloads.com/
 
castboolits is the place! I just cast my first 7.62x39mm boolits, and sized them to .311 with a Lee push through sizer, the 160gr tumble lube ones. That's also when I put on the gas checks. If you don't have any, you should get some for the rifle loads.
I did not get to try them, scope issues, but will soon. :(
I've been doing the 9mm/38 spl for a few years. My Lee 356 124 2R mould drops at .360, so bought two sizers, one for .356 and one for .358, and use the same boolit with good results in 9mm and 38 spl.
 
Casting is Reloading on Steroids

Some general observations that have worked remarkably well for me AND which are supported by NRA research and articles of many years ago ...

Ideally, casting a bullet that doesn't need to be sized avoids 2 pitfalls: sizing softens bullets by destroying the hardened "grain" of the outer surface, and ... it adds an extra, tedious step. I've had very good luck with the following general approach:

Lee Aluminum 2 cavity molds
Cast HOT. Hot enough that the bullets have the satin/frosty finish we're told to avoid.
Drop the bullets into water from the mold. This hardens them well beyond letting them air cool. Be certain to do this in a way that NO water, not even a drop, can splash into the lead pot. Water into a pot of molten lead will EXPLODE!!! Some guys put the water tub in back of them and turn around each time. I put it under the casting area in a way that would contain any splashes. It's much faster that way.

A secondary benefit to casting hot is a synergy of: Hot mold=softer sprues=faster cycling time=nominally smaller bullets. But you have to maintain that speed or the mold cools, the sprues harden, and your cyclic rate plummets. I wear asbestos gloves on both hands and begin by casting pairs of "warmup" bullets as fast as I can. This is to build up the heat in the mold until the bullets get the frosty look that tells me they are hot enough to start water quenching them. The first small batch of warmup bullets go back into the lead pot. It can be done with with one 10 lb. pot, but 2 is better for speed. Cast with one while the other is building up a temperature of 750 degrees or more. When one is half empty, add lead to it and switch to the full, hotter one. Then keep alternating. Casting that hot DOES degrade the tin in your alloy, so you need to pay continual attention to how your bullets are filling out their molds and add tin accordingly.

Because of the water quenching, you are not so dependent on alloy for hardness. You won't need to fiddle with adding antimony. Add tin only sparingly to improve the "castability" if you notice the bullets aren't filling out well. Tin is most readily available as bar solder from a hardware or automotive outfit. If you add too much tin, your alloy will begin to act like solder. It will look very shiny and smear all over the mold blocks and sprue plate and will be a major PITA. Remedy by adding more lead or wheel weights to even out the ratio of lead to tin.

Contrary to oft-repeated misinformation, wheel weights are the nearly perfect alloy just as they are. If your bullets are coming out larger than you'd like, add a little lead to the alloy to bring the size down a little.

With the Lee molds, I've found that .40, .44 & .45 all throw a nearly pefect slug right out of the mold. Tumble lube these with the liquid alox lube and life is sweet. My Lyman lubrisizer now only gets used to put gas checks on rifle bullets. With the smaller calibers like 9mm and .38/.357, it's a little tougher to get the as-cast diameter right out of the mold, but it can be done with a little trial and error. As mentioned above, the closer to pure lead your alloy, the smaller your bullets, AND the hotter your mold, the smaller your bullets. So ... plenty of room for tweaking, adjusting and fine tuning.

I have found it easier and more streamlined to cast wheel weights into ingots in one session and ingots into bullets in a different session. This owing to the somewhat dirty condition of wheel weights when we first obtain them. Some guys tumble them in kerosene and sand to clean them up first, though I haven't tried that yet. Wheel weights are usually greasy and smoky when first melted and ideally this step will be done outside. Instead of a furnace, I use a campstove and a large, Wok-like pan, both obtained at garage sales. This is so much better for working with large quantities of wheel weights. Once melted, the little clips and other contaminants need to be skimmed of the top. After that, it's usually a good idea to stir in some flux to float the other crud to the top and skim that off as well. If you don't have an ingot mold, you can ladle the alloy into muffin tins, angle iron, or anything that will form something wieldy once the lead has cooled, which is almost instantly.

All of this advice is general and some fine tuning is certain to be necessary. I know that I've gone against some conventional wisdom, but I've derived a lot of benefit by being willing to try things that are a little out of the ordinary. If you're even just a liitle bit crafty about obtaining used wheel weights from gas stations and tire shops, you can cast bullets for next to nothing.

Feel free to ask questions.
 
I heard that the stick on wheel weights are too soft, does anyone use them? Or just the clip on weights?

The stick on wheel weights are nearly pure lead, and much softer than the clip on wheel weights. However, this is not bad. Just be sure to mix them in with some harder alloy lead. I dare say, more guys probably make their bullets too hard than too soft.

Don
 
Oh boy, another one falls to the casting hobby. You're doomed to cast forever now. :D

On a serious note though, scrounging lead and casting bullets can save you enough money that you're able to shoot a lot. And practice does make perfect. I go though at least a 100 rounds of .30 cal rifle bullets a week. No way could I do that without casting them. I'm just not that rich.

And save the stick-ons separately for when you want to make your own alloys. You wont regret it.
 
I find that straight wheel-weight alloy makes perfect pistol bullets.

I use straight WW for magnums and high velocity stuff (like 9mm or .40) and I water quench (drop the bullet from the mold into a pan of water) to add hardness.

For .38 special and .45 auto, etc. I use reclaimed range scrap, which is softer than WW but harder than pure lead, and air cool (no water drop). This is to conserve my stash of WW alloy, because WWs are being phased out and I can get all the range scrap I need.

If either alloy is being troublesome I add print metal to get more tin in the alloy. Perfect exact alloy formualtion isn't really needed, it's all in how the mold itself behaves with the alloy and how your guns shoot it.

While lube sizers are nice- but expensive, and that's one more thing on the bench- the Lee push-through sizers and tumble lube work great, even on regular bullets not just the Lee tumble-lube bullets. I've resized FMJs in the Lee sizers (.312 rifle to .308)

Just tumble lube, then size, then tumble lube again.

However, most of my Lee molds drop with no need to resize. I use the 6-cavity molds for production speed.
 
I am odd, then, I air drop on towel, cast wheel weights. Works great. Lee push through sizer, and the boolits are lubed with Hornady One Shot. Stuff doesn't do any good with brass for me, so it get's used there. Size, tumble lube, and all set.
 
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