Just how dangerous are Timber Rattlers?

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I'm used to snakes. Copperheads, Pygmy rattlers, cottonmouth, all sorts of nonvenomous snakes, but I'm new to big Timbers. The one I saw yesterday freaked me out. He was as long as both doors on my doublecab Tacoma, so I'm estimating a totally not exaggerated 5-6 ft length and about a 5 inch thick body. Rattles were probably 4 to 5 inches. Are these jokers any worse than what I'm used to? I don't mind snakes I just don't want to end up doing the 2 fang tango again, (copperhead last time, barely got me and no big deal). And what should I be looking for to protect myself in the event that I were to be struck? I assume snake chaps would work, but honestly after seeing that big fella which isn't fully grown I am not sure I even want to hunt around here until they are denned up and hibernating for the winter.
 
What, no pics??!? Just leave him alone and he will do the same for you. Just leave him alone and he will do the same for you. Just leave him alone and he will do the same for you. If you do get struck, it's probably best to get to a hospital. There, you will find anti-venom that may be indicated, depending on your specific situation. Fatality is rare, but can occur.
 
Not aggressive in general, no big deal unless you step on him. Just back up slow and smooth. Snake boots and chaps should be plenty. In general in the US, the smaller snakes actually have the more potent venom, though they inject less.

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Here's one out by our house. From what I've read and experienced they are the least aggressive rattlesnake species. They will try to avoid all contact if possible and they will be very still and hope you will go away. Just don't pick one up or step on one!
 
Will your bear gun work on snakes too? Any caliber recommendations?

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I grew up in Louisiana so snakes don't bother me, however, I worry more about the copperheads. They're hard to see making it more likely to step on one. Rattlers give you a heads up, usually.
 
+1 For Fear the Little Ones

As with most animals, you have to watch out for the little ones. God gave them special abilities to protect themselves. The big Timbers let you know when they are mad. The little coppers just nail you.
 
Will your bear gun work on snakes too? Any caliber recommendations?

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Bear in mind that killing them is a state crime. I think this is still current..........

Texas Parks and Wildlife Department regulations prohibit the taking, possession, transportation, or sale of any species designated as endangered or threatened without the issuance of a scientific collecting permit. In addition, some species that are listed as threatened or endangered under state law are also protected under the federal endangered species regulations and are provided additional protection by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

State laws and regulations pertaining endangered or threatened species are contained in Chapters 67 and 68 of the Texas Parks and Wildlife Code and Sections 65-171 - 65-18 of Title 31 of the Texas Administrative Code.

The species listed below are those that are protected under these laws:

Black-striped Snake (Coniophanes imperialis imperialis) - Threatened
Brazos Water Snake (Nerodia harteri) - Threatened
Texas Lyre Snake (Trimorphodon lambda vilkinsonii) - Threatened
Concho Water Snake (Nerodia paucimaculata) - Threatened (Federally Protected)
Texas Indigo Snake (Drymarchon corais erebennus) - Threatened
Louisiana Pine Snake (Pituophis ruthveni) - Threatened (Federal Status Pending)
Northern Cat-eyed Snake (Leptodeira septentrionalis septentrionalis) - Threatened
Scarlet Snake (Cemophora coccinea) - Threatened (Includes both copei & lineri ssp.)
Smooth Green Snake (Liochlorophis vernalis) - Threatened
Speckled Racer (Drymobius margaritiferus margaritiferus) - Threatened
Timber Rattlesnake (Crotalus horridus ) - Threatened
Big Bend Blackhead Snake (Tantilla cucullata) - Threatened

§ 68.002. ENDANGERED SPECIES. Species of fish or wildlife indigenous to Texas are endangered if listed on:
(1) the United States List of Endangered Native Fish and Wildlife; or
(2) the list of fish or wildlife threatened with statewide extinction as filed by the director of the department.
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§ 68.015. PROHIBITED ACTS. (a) No person may capture, trap, take, or kill, or attempt to capture, trap, take, or kill, endangered fish or wildlife.
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§ 68.021. PENALTY. (a) A person who violates any provision of this chapter commits an offense that is a Class C Parks and Wildlife Code misdemeanor.
(b) A person who violates any provision of this chapter and who has been convicted on one previous occasion of a violation of this chapter commits an offense that is a Class B Parks and Wildlife Code misdemeanor.
(c) A person who violates any provision of this chapter and who has been convicted on two or more previous occasions of a violation of this chapter commits an offense that is a Class A Parks
and Wildlife Code misdemeanor.
 
Yes, indiscriminate killing of the snake is a crime. It's legal in certain circumstances, such as self defense. Seems like there's a justifiable reason for snakes in populated places too. I guess my main concern is just that I'm not used to them. I'm so used to copperheads I can see them pretty easily, I now have a new type of camp pattern to learn.
 
I have no aversion to snakes and generally just let them move along. I have caught several Timbers as they are quite docile and I don't know of any that have ever acted very threatening. I saw a very large one early this week, recently dead in the middle of the highway.
The only time I will kill a snake is if it is right at my house, or right at a hunting stand. Stepping on Mr No Shoulders on the way to the stand is not something I want to do.
 
Copperheads are more common here and quite timid. Their venom is painful, but rarely fatal to a healthy adult. I've seen a few cottonmouths, they have a nasty temper and can be aggressive and if you get too close will actually pursue you. Rattlers are the largest with the potential to be the deadliest if they do bite. Unlike cottonmouths they rarely look for trouble, but I wouldn't mess with one.

My daughter is a nurse at a local hospital, they get about 1 copperhead bite a month during warm weather. Rarely any problems. We get a rattlesnake bite once every 5-6 years. I don't recall any survivors.
 
I am a City boy, from the UK. I am frightened of any kind of snake! My Wife is much worse! Lived in Australia for a while! Everything that crawls, will kill you!

Leaving them alone seems like good advice, to me! The only ones I have seen around here Orlando, are black snakes, they boogey when I have seen them.

Watched an Aborigine, in a little compound (Bunnerong/ Sydney/NSW) turn snakes this way and that, with a stick. Then present the flat of his boot to one, it struck his boot sole, then buggered off.

His explanation, they had no depth perception? Better him than me.
 
I live in an area where timber rattlers are common as well as copperheads. About 30 years ago I went with a friend down a back country road called Coyote Trail and as we were going up a steep hill on a dirt section of the road a large timber rattler went across the road in front of us. I had a Remington 870 shotgun but I had fired all my ammo at clay targets so I jumped out of the truck with an empty shotgun and chased the snake down. It was traveling fast with the front 1/3 of the animal above the ground. It's head elevated up into the air. I turned the shotgun butt first and placed the butt behind it's head and held it down. My friend came up with a 22 and shot it in the head. Before I could say anything he said he was going to display the snake on a board covered with felt. I was disappointed that I didn't get to keep the snake because it was over 5 feet long. About a week later I attended a diamondback rattlesnake roundup and there were only 2 diamondbacks checked in that were larger. That timber rattler looked just like the picture shown by Jimster.
 
In many places the timber rattler is protected and often endangered. They only reproduce every 2 (rarely) to 4 years or more and the females only start to reproduce at age 6 to 12 years, depending on where they are located, so over population of their habitat is unlikely. Simply killing a rattler, or any snake for that matter, just because it's a snake is obscene and inhumane, not to mention probably illegal.

I like snakes and other reptiles and have had experience with eastern Diamondbacks, canebrake (a deep south, lowland race of the timber), pigmies, copperheads, cottonmouths and many species of nonvenomous snakes. I lived in Ga for 62 years. Timber rattlers were in the more mountainous region while we had the canebrake variety. They were all over the yard, in the barn, on my shooting range and on the porch. If I saw ANY snake in the road I'd always move it safely off whenever possible. Despite the scientific researchers assertions that canebrake venom was more toxic and increasing in toxicity for some reason, the snakes themselves were very docile. And the larger the snake gets, the more docile and sluggish they become. I found it extremely difficult to get either canebrakes or diamondbacks to strike. Copperheads, cottonmouths and pigmies, on the other hand, are very pugnacious. I had a dog bitten by a 3 ft copperhead and she had a really hard time of it. I caught it and had other copperheads in terrariums that I kept and studied before turning them loose in early fall in time for them to fatten up for hibernation.

True, the little pigmies have an especially potent venom but are so small they deliver only a small fraction of what the bigger snakes can deliver. But if bitten, you're in trouble. Of course more than half the bites from rattlers (and probably copperheads) are "dry bites", or no envenomation. These snakes are invaluable in the ecology of their territory; they, and others, keep us from being overrun by rats & mice.

I remain disgusted by these so called "roundups" and the cruelty and slaughter that occurs because of ego, greed and ignorance. Remember, we didn't create them so what justifies our destroying them. Be kind to critters that mean you no harm.
 
Canebrake/Timber rattler has a quite potent venom, but it is a relatively docile snake. One problem with them...is that they tend to lie still and let perceived danger 'pass' rather than move away immediately.

So...the chances of you getting really close to one (if you don't see it) can be greater than with certain other snakes.

The severity of a bite would of course depend upon the bite location, how much envenomation there was and how quickly you receive treatment.

I would expect some tissue loss/damage at the very least. When mature, they are a big, powerful snake.

In my State (Texas) they are protected and are only found in certain areas.

Watch where you step and where you put your hands. Timber rattlers can be hard to see if not moving. Be especially careful around logs, stumps and rock outcroppings.
 
Cottonmouths are the only poisonous snake that I've encountered that are aggressive. I have had them try to ambush me by crawling into palmettos and then coming at me when I got close.

I carry a machete and kill all cottonmouths I encounter. Scream and yell at me if you wish but I won't change when it comes to them.
 
Sat down next to a big timber last year. I was out turkey hunting one day and had a gobbler closing ground pretty fast. I set up against a big hemlock to work the bird, not paying attention to the ground around the tree. The bird went silent and I eased my slate call down beside me, focusing on the woods out in front, I heard leaves moving right about where I laid my call.Looked down and a big rattler just eased on out. :eek: Guess he didn't want to share the shady spot with me. He could have struck me a dozen times over but didn't and never rattled either. I look before sitting now:uhoh:
 
It is illegal in Arkansas to kill ANYTHING not specifically allowed by Arkansas Game and Fish regulations -- even a mosquito.

That said, try finding a jury that would convict!!
 
http://wnct.com/2016/07/28/2-year-old-recovering-from-deadly-rattlesnake-bite/

Mike stone was watching his daughters, nieces and nephews when he heard his youngest daughter riley scream…Like she never had before.

“I could just see blood running from her knees to her ankle I couldn’t tell where it was coming from there was just blood everywhere,” explained Stone

A family member who works at the local hospital decapitated the snake and called ahead to help identify the best treatment.

“She lost all consciousness in the car she wasn’t breathing wasn’t responding I mean she was just out cold,” said Stone

http://www.wfmynews2.com/news/local...eling-in-leg-after-rattlesnake-bite/284178779

NC Toddler Loses Partial Feeling In Leg After Rattlesnake …

A New Bern toddler will permanently lose 20-percent feeling in her leg after being bitten by a timber rattlesnake. ... a timber rattlesnake.
 
Rattlesnake hunting is legal in Oklahoma with a valid hunting license. There is no bag limit from March 1st through June 30th for Prairie, western diamondback, timber and massasauga rattlesnakes. The remainder of the year the bag limit is 6 per day or a total of 6 in possession. There are at least two large rattlesnake roundups each year, one in Okeene and the other in Mangum. Look at the Okeene Rattlesnake roundup on youtube.
 
Snakes in the wild are beneficial, where as the ones in Washington are not.
 
It is illegal in Arkansas to kill ANYTHING not specifically allowed by Arkansas Game and Fish regulations -- even a mosquito.

That said, try finding a jury that would convict!!
It would be my luck to get 12 PETA members on the jury.
 
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