Just Went down to mini bureau in NYC

[Golden_006]

I have to go back. The pics in my application weren't passport pics. And I need a notarized letter explaining what happened when I got drunk/arrrested over 10 years ago and plead guilty to 50 dollar fine disorderly conduct. A certificate of deposition wasn't enough. In all fairness they did say I could go get them and come back. But I told them I had to go to work. I was already really late.

I know they're making it as hard as possible so I'lll walk away and forget owning a firearm but I'm not going to let them.

But as I was leaving there was this young guy there with his father; his approved permit letter ready to register his guns. And there was another older foreign gent there when I first came in; with like an Eastern European accent registering his firearms.

Yeah I know i should move. Too bad my job is here, family, girlfriend. plus I doubt I'd be shooting recreationally much. It's mostly for self-defense and the fact that it's my right.

 

[eric.cartman]

I know it's not easy, but...

4 years ago I went to the Queens office to get a rifle/shotgun permit... while filling the application I though to myself: "That's IT! I'm sick of this ****!"

I had a great job as a software developer, I worked for Imagine Software at 223 Broadway. I had a great apartment in Queens. I had a GF living with me at the time.

"That's IT! I'm sick of this ****!"

I applied for jobs in FL and TX. FL company (Citrix) responded first. Phone interview. On site interview. Job offer! 3 weeks later I got my first handgun!

Now I own a safe full of guns and ammo. GF (she moved with me) is now my wife of 3 years, and mother of our 1yo son.

YES, IT WAS NOT EASY. YES, IT WAS ONE OF THE BEST DECISIONS I'VE EVER MADE. I'm 29 now. Not for one second have I regretted leaving everything behind, packing my car, and moving out of that hell hole NYC is.

Just something to think about...

 

[Golden_006]

Seems easier just to fill out their stupid application than to go job hunting and fill out 20 different job ones and not get a call back.

Plus I have no desire to own a handgun or an ar-15 or a safe full of guns. I'd buy a shotgun before buying a handgun and I can have that. I think I would be happy with just a Ruger Mini 30. I wonder if I can have a MAK-90? At first i did think I can have one, after reading their stupid web site, since it has hunting stock and the statutes limit what you can have to cosmetic features and a few others by name. But they're more strict than I thought after going down there.

 

[eric.cartman]

to each their own

 

[CoRoMo]

You do what you gotta do. Hopefully something will change soon with a SCOTUS decision, but until then, maybe just keep your eyes on the horizon that one day...

 

[highorder]

I know it's not easy, but...

4 years ago I went to the Queens office to get a rifle/shotgun permit... while filling the application I though to myself: "That's IT! I'm sick of this ****!"

I had a great job as a software developer, I worked for Imagine Software at 223 Broadway. I had a great apartment in Queens. I had a GF living with me at the time.

"That's IT! I'm sick of this ****!"

I applied for jobs in FL and TX. FL company (Citrix) responded first. Phone interview. On site interview. Job offer! 3 weeks later I got my first handgun!

Now I own a safe full of guns and ammo. GF (she moved with me) is now my wife of 3 years, and mother of our 1yo son.

YES, IT WAS NOT EASY. YES, IT WAS ONE OF THE BEST DECISIONS I'VE EVER MADE. I'm 29 now. Not for one second have I regretted leaving everything behind, packing my car, and moving out of that hell hole NYC is.

Just something to think about...

That's a good post.

Life is long, and the choices we make are importmant.

 

[Prince Yamato]

Stay there and fight the fight. Remember each and every step to your application process so that when someone else on THR asks, you can inform them and give them advice to make their application process all that much easier. You remember how blacks in the South used to study for the tests they were administered before they could vote during the Jim Crow days? Same thing here. Play their stupid game now, familiarize yourself with how stupid it is, then wait until we knock them down in the Supreme Court.

 

[Oro]

Stay there and fight the fight. Remember each and every step to your application process so that when someone else on THR asks

Honestly, that's a poor reason to counsel someone to stay there and put up with the abuse. There are a number of us who have had NYC permits, and we step in with our experiences when people ask.

Taking his tax money and moving elsewhere is the most significant thing he can do. I saw a business magazines article just this past week about the 360,000 high-dollar jobs NYC has hemorrhaged the last few years because of quality-of-life issues like this. It's not that the taxes are high (they are), or that the city is crowded and expensive (it is), it's that any encounter your average civilian has with the city and it's offices leaves one feeling like they've been violated and trampled upon.

"Voting" with your feet is the best thing to do to turn NYC around and get it back on the path Giuliani had it for a while in the 90s.

 

[AMBASSADOR]

Mini bureau?

Help me out with the definition,what is the mini bureau in N.Y.C.?I an interesred as to where you went for a gun permit.

 

[Golden_006]

The place I went is the Shotgun/Rifle permit division in a Queens county courthouse. Which by the looks of things, i'm applying to the NY Police dept.

Mini-burueau is the best thing I can come up with and is sort of a take off of Orwell's 1984 where things abbreviated with mini: as the Ministry of Health, Mini Health etc.

Mini police or mini permit doesn't have the same wring to it, so I figure mini bureau sounded Orwellian enough

I only want one rifle and don't mind it being made out of wood. I don't like swat team guns except maybe a mossberg shotgun. It hardly seems worth moving for.

Although I must agree with Oro and his findings - the whole experience did leave me with a bad taste in my mouth. I agree I feel my rights are trampled upon but at the same time I just got the passport pics it took 5 min. when I was going out for walk from work -- i got them at the photo store right outside work. All I need is the letter notarized and I'm done. It could be worse. They could have made me take a class or something; like I was getting a drivers permit or an mc permit. But still . . .

 

[AMBASSADOR]

OK!

Thanks for clearing that up.It is the N.Y.C. Firearms Control Board at that address.Yes it is a load of crap to deal with,but there are no other choices if you want a firearm in N.Y.C.

 

[Gottahaveone]

I wonder if I can have a MAK-90?

Can you not see the basic problem with that question?

You end the original post with "and the fact that it's my right." If you honestly believe that ownership is a Right, then you have no choice but to refuse to support a government that is trying to regulate that Right. Stop living there and paying vehicle and property and sales and school and whatever other taxes. Stop being a productive member of that state and go give those things to a government that actually deserves them. By accepting whatever piece of your Right that your "superiors" are willing to allow you, you agree to be controlled.

Please don't misunderstand, I know it's not as simple as moving across town. It is a major life change. But those aren't always bad. And I've come to the conclusion that the option of voting these crooks out of office is not really plausible. There are too many sheeple. But if all the good, hard working and honest people start to congregate in "good" states leaving the low life, social services dependent trash behind it will eventually choke them out of existence. I'll get off my soapbox now

Whatever you do, I wish you the best of luck...

 

[razorback2003]

IF you are fooling with all of those hassles to own a shotgun (it doesn't sound like you are a hunter), why don't you just get get a license to own a handgun? At least you can go to the range and enjoy it at some of the indoor ranges in NYC. Join a gun club. It will be a great past time for you. I would encourage you to buy a nice 9mm or 38 Special handgun and possibly a clean 22 handgun to alternate and get plenty of practice when you don't want to spend a lot of money on 9mm or 38 Special. I am a member of a gun club and it is a great past time.

 

[zoom6zoom]

I have no desire to own a handgun or an ar-15 or a safe full of guns.

"When they came for the Jews, I said nothing because I was not a Jew..."

 

[U.S.SFC_RET]

Yes you can vote with your feet and take that "mini" version of a tax base with you. Its happening all over this country and for various reasons. Those reasons won't get covered here.
What will get covered are the hard workers who are the Tax base and who carry the burden of society. Your right to keep and bear arms is a right. Let those civic knuckle heads in charge in making decisions know that you are voting with your feet.
They are doing it in California. They are doing it New York. You never need permission to move and if they had the chance thay would like to grant that one to you.

 

[Golden_006]

Moving won't help because the fed will do what NYC is doing. It's just a matter of time. Plus I had a good time partying last night

 

[Winter Borne]

Razorback, he CAN"T get a handgun in NYC unless he's an upstanding celebrity citizen like Robert Downey Jr. Rifle or shotgun is all he is "allowed" to get. I moved to Westchester County and it took me 2 years of paper work and rejected applications for minor issues before I got my Target and Hunting pistol permit which was restricted to those two applications only. I could not carry unless en-route to a range!

I said the HELL with it in 01 and came here to VA. Had my CCP in 6 weeks.

mk

 

[benEzra]

Moving won't help because the fed will do what NYC is doing. It's just a matter of time.

Nope. We are in a far stronger position nationally than we were even twenty or thirty years ago.

Most of NYC's gun restrictions were passed back when anti-gun sentiment was far, far greater than it is now. With the exception of a few largely dysfunctional cities, most of the nation is immeasurably more pro-gun than NYC. Even in Massachusetts, ordinary citizens who aren't Donald Trump or Charles Schumer can get a carry license and own an AR-15.

If I want an AR-15 tomorrow, I can go to the store, pass an NICS check, and buy one. That's how it is for almost everyone in this country. The hostility toward gun ownership that surrounds you don't represent the middle of the bell curve, just the two- or three-sigma tail.

 

[Golden_006]

I understand what the situation is now, but are you sure it will be the case in the years ahead i.e. that you can just go and get an ar? And don't put it past the Fed to pass some elitist legislation that serves no one but elites like our immigration policy for example or lackthereof.

I lived on long island and I could have done exactly what you described, but I couldn't justify a toy that costs 1000 dollars, and if I did, I think I could get a Kel tec su 16 California in NYC. I agree it's bs but since I don't hunt or fire guns recreationally, it doesn't seem worth it to move so I can have an AR that'll just collect dust. It seems like I have options for self defense besides a handgun and an ar

 

[THE DARK KNIGHT]

Aceofclubs I used to share the same denial as you...

I remember when I first turned 21, here in NJ we have the same, only slightly less strict, BS infringement of our rights. I'll never forget telling my father "Yeah I've gotta apply for this 'FID' card to buy any gun, thats a federal law or something"

Then I read gun forums, just out of curiosity, and saw people talking here and there about gun purchases, and thought, oh wow, these far away states like Colorado and Florida they can just buy a gun with a driver's license and a NICS check! Wow!

Then I realized...whoa...wait a second, they can do that in Virginia too. And Vermont. Those places are not that far away! And Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania! That's like an hour from here!

The anti-gun sentiment that we see, the downright hate and ridicule for guns and gun owners, or in NJ's case outright silence on the issue at all, is just limited to our little 75 square mile metro area. Even in places like Upstate NY, Central/South NJ, parts of CT, there is a very pro-gun sentiment and these people feel like they are basically living in "occupied territory" by antis from the nearby cities. It's only in our little area.

But anyway.

If you're not into guns that much, and just want one for self defense or occasional fun, yeah of course moving over guns would be pretty dumb. If you're a city guy and like the city, then someone telling you to move for something you're not that interested in is not very bright.

 

[essayons21]

Hell you live in Yankee-land.... thats good enough reason to pick up and move down south

 

[Foofles]

The city isn't going to change anytime soon... the minds of most citizens in NYC has been spoiled beyond repair until they are exposed to anything different. They very much enjoy being on a leash and if something doesn't directly affect them then to hell with it.

Sometimes I wonder why I stay here... We need to band together. Or something.

 

[benEzra]

I understand what the situation is now but are you sure it will be the case in the years ahead that you can just go and get an ar? and don't put it past the fed to pass some elitist legislation that serves no one but elites like our immigration policy for example or lackthereof I lived on long island and I could have done exactly what you described but I couldn't justify a toy that costs 1000 dollars and if I did I think I could get a kel tec su 16 California In NYC. I agree it's bs but since I don't hunt or fire guns recreationally it doesn't seem worth it to move so I can have an ar that just collects dust. It seems like I have options for self defense besides a handgun and an ar

Nationwide, more Americans own so-called "assault weapons" than hunt. They couldn't even ban AR's in 1994, when they were a niche gun, so now that the AR-15 is the most popular civilian centerfire rifle in the United States, I think we're on pretty safe ground. I'm not saying that some flavor of new AWB couldn't happen, just that there is less support for such BS nationwide today than at any time in the past several decades.

I do agree that if the right to choose to own the gun of your choice isn't particularly important to you, then it wouldn't make much sense to move over that issue. It is important enough to me, though, that I would not consider moving to a jurisdiction with NYC style restrictions for any amount of money of prestige. Fortunately, such jurisdictions can pretty much be counted on the fingers of one hand, so my options are pretty open.

 

[THE DARK KNIGHT]

They couldn't even ban AR's in 1994, when they were a niche gun

Exactly. And though I was only 9 years old in '94, I would venture to say that the '94 AWB had the reverse effect of giving AK's/AR's/Etc. a wide appeal.

 

[MagnumDweeb]

No don't move, you all just stay put up there. Florida isn't the place to come, we're happy not being 'urbanized.' In fact could all you NJ and NYC folk come and take some your brethren back, not all of them, just the ones that whine and criticize our 'gunshow loophole' laws. Seriously as an NRA pistol instructor, I loathe dealing with NYC and NJ folks and the lectures I get from them about the 'best' guns and what and their obsession with .50 cal handguns.

Stay and fight the good fight, NYC didn't lose it's American spirit in one night, it won't get it back in one either. Every person that signs up for a gun is one more the rat scum have to take notice of and decide if they are going to play to in polly-tricks. If 30% of the NYC was to file for guns than that'd change the political playing field now wouldn't it. Vote with your paper, vote with your...well vote.