Steve 48
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Get the Kahr!! Its accurate and easy to carry concealed.
Call up Taurus. they will tell you very clearly the 709 is NOT rated for +p ammo, despite what their catalog says.
I think the 709 looks very appealing, except for the fact you cant shoot +p ammo out of it. That alone means the 709 isn't an option for me.
Just my .02
Let's see here...We are talking about a Kahr or a Taurus. Right? The delema is which junk gun I want to trust my life with. Right?
I really don't see the problem here. Check out other manufacturers of quality firearms first.
Let's see here...We are talking about a Kahr or a Taurus. Right? The delema is which junk gun I want to trust my life with. Right?
I really don't see the problem here. Check out other manufacturers of quality firearms first.
This is my second PT709 the first one(an early version)I sold because it didn't extract WWB ammo reliably and I didn't like that in my carry gun. I really liked everything else about the gun. Its size is excellent for carry, chambered in 9mm para, nice ergos., plenty of accuracy, a thumb safety, adjustable rear sight and DA/SA trigger. The trigger is innovative, it operates in SA for all shooting, with a long take-up and a crisp break, if a round has a dud primer and fails to fire, the trigger automatically reverts to a light DA giving a second strike capability.
I've been wanting to give one of these Taurus's another try. I picked one up the other night, NIB from a fresh production run. The upgrades to the latest 709 I know of are, a metal mag release and redesigned extractor.
Tonight it got its shake down run. I brought 200rounds of ammo consisting of 100rounds 115g WWB, 50 115g Win. Silvertip HPs and 50rounds American Eagle 124g FMJ.
I started right off with the WWB and ran 30 trouble free rounds though. Then I switched to the AE and ran through the entire box of 50 box without issue. Back to the WWB and got to about 120 rounds total through when one got stuck in the chamber and did not extract....It was cleared, I brushed the chamber quickly and continued through the 80 remaining rounds incl the HPs without any further issue.
Out of the box, it was shooting dead center about 6in low from POA, a few turns on the elevation screw and it was on. The guns seem to like the 115g stuff, there was a marked difference between the AE and Win loads. Recoil and flip are totally manageable and really much less then other guns I class with it like the Keltec PF9 and Kahr PM9. The 709 was shot with its stock grip. I do plan to add a Hogue Handal Jr. just for comfort but one is not needed to enhance control, the Slim is a pleasure to shoot as is.
Take down is supposed to be "Glock like" easy but posed a little difficulty. There's a trick to it, that requires pulling the trigger before and after moving the take down pin..takes a bit to figure out. Once apart it appears a solid, simple design and well put together, I liked that it has big metal rails. Cleaning was like any other auto and reassembly was a snap.
All in all a nice defensive concealed carry weapon and great value at $369. includes two mags, a cleaning brush and Taurus's lifetime warranty.