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This is a tragic story, and one that makes it even clearer to me why one should have a weapon and cell phone ready while at home, and to act defensively with caution.

Had he not gone to investigate his house may have been burned down, but maybe he and his wife could have at least gotten out. Who knows? Maybe the police would have arrived in time, although I'm sure response time isn't amazing in the area. If he had to go it alone, a defensible position could have saved him.

A sad story and cautionary tale, for sure. My sympathies to those affected.

(Mods, feel free to move if necessary...not sure if this is the right spot for this.)

Isle La Motte teens charged in slayings

Isle La Motte teens charged in slayings

By John Briggs
Free Press Staff Writer

ISLE LA MOTTE -- Two Isle La Motte youths were charged Wednesday in Vermont District Court in North Hero with the double homicide of George and Anna Fleury, whose bodies were found inside their burned Main Street home early Sunday morning.

Heath Lockerby, 18, of 383 Church St. and Quinten Teeple, 17, of 383 East Shore Road heavily shackled and still wearing their street clothes, each appeared briefly in the small courthouse.

Lockerby appeared first, was led out, and then Teeple came in. Neither man spoke.

Each was charged with two counts of murder in the first degree, arson and burglary of an occupied dwelling to commit a felony. Judge David Jenkins ordered them held without bail. Their next court appearance has not been scheduled.

The double murder stunned the small Isle La Motte community, and it seemed to hit harder as islanders learned Wednesday that two local boys had been arrested for the crime.

"None of us are thinking properly," said Claire Atkins, who lives on East Shore Road close to the Teeple house. "It's really touched this whole island."

"It was enough to think they had died of fire," said Julie Horrigan, who knew the Fleurys well. "This is just more than you can think. Everyone is devastated."

Gruesome crime

The details of the crime, as presented in court papers, spell out a plot by Lockerby and Teeple that seems grotesquely out of place on the picturesque island.

According to those papers, Lockerby and Teeple learned from the Fleurys' grandson, identified in court papers as Z.S., that the elderly couple had a money-filled safe in their home.

Z.S. admitted to police that he had stolen money from the safe "multiple times," and twice took $1,000. He used the money to buy a Playstation 2 computer console from Teeple for $300 and to buy drugs, he told police, and shared the drugs with Lockerby and Teeple. He also told Lockerby and Teeple where he got the money.

According to Lockerby's account, he and Teeple decided in mid-June to rob the Fleurys.

"Approximately two weeks before the crime," the court papers said, "they walked through the woods and left two one-gallon milk jugs filled with gas near the Fleury's home."

At that point, they told police, they were planning to enter the house when the Fleurys weren't home and then set a fire to eliminate any evidence.

They changed their minds and decided to break in after dark.

Saturday, June 27, Teeple told police, he and Lockerby picked up his girlfriend and then drove to New York state to pick up Lockerby's girlfriend. Then, because Teeple's parents were gone for the weekend, they drove to his house and began drinking beer. At one point Teeple told police that the foursome finished off a 30-pack of beer.

Sometime after 2 a.m. Sunday, the two young men rode their bikes to the Fleury house, then watched the house from behind the Fleurys' swimming pool fence, smoking cigarettes. They were wearing ski masks, gloves, black shirts and dark jeans. They were armed with knives -- Lockerby with a folding knife and Teeple with a 6-inch straight knife.

They pushed up the window to the rear bedroom and entered the home, Teeple first.

The Fleurys' two Irish setters began barking, the men told police, and George Fleury came out of the bedroom and grabbed Teeple's arm.

Teeple kicked Fleury in the stomach, knocking him to the floor. As Fleury struggled to get up, Teeple told police, "I sliced him in the chest."

Fleury got up again, Teeple said, and Lockerby "stuck him in the chest."

Fleury fell against the wall and didn't move again.

The struggle brought Anna Fleury out of the bedroom. Teeple told police that "Anna was going after Lockerby," and Lockerby "slit her throat and part of her shoulder."

She fell backward onto the bed, and Lockerby, according to Teeple's account, stabbed her repeatedly.

According to court documents, Anna Fleury was stabbed more than 10 times in the chest, had a "deep cut" on her right shoulder, and "her hands had defensive wounds inside and out."

George Fleury was also stabbed "multiple times."

After the Fleurys were dead, the police affidavit said, "Lockerby and Teeple calmed the dogs by petting them, and they removed the safe."

They left the safe in the tall grass north of the house and rode their bikes home to get Teeple's stepfather's pickup truck.

The two men drove back to the Fleury house, loaded the safe into the truck, then went back into the house, poured gasoline over the furniture in the living room and used their lighters to start the fire, leaving the dogs inside. Then Lockerby and Teeple drove back to the Teeple house and hid the safe in the woods nearby.

Investigation

Police moved quickly on the case and were helped when an acquaintance of Lockerby and Teeple approached police Monday and told them the two men had talked about stealing money from the Fleurys when they weren't home.

By Monday evening a state police detective had obtained an admission from Z.S., the Fleurys' grandson, that he had stolen money from his grandparents and told Lockerby and Teeple about the safe in the Fleury house.

That night, detectives questioned Lockerby and Teeple. Both said they had spent the night drinking. Lockerby, a volunteer with the island's volunteer fire department, said he received a page alerting him of the fire at the Fleurys' but didn't answer it because he had been drinking. They both said they hadn't left the Teeple house until about noon Sunday.

Their story changed when they learned that someone had seen Teeple's pickup driving down Church Street toward Main Street early Sunday.

Teeple then told police he and Lockerby had awakened at about 4 a.m. and gone for a ride had seen smoke coming from the Fleury house and stopped to try to help. They ran into the house, Teeple told police, found the sofa in the front room ablaze, and then he heard Lockerby "scream" from the bedroom that he had found "two dead people."

Teeple told police they both ran out of the house and drove back to his house without reporting the fire.

Tuesday afternoon, just before 6 p.m., police, having applied for judicial permission, stopped Lockerby on U.S. 2 in Alburg, near the bridge to New York.

Later on Tuesday night, Teeple gave a full statement to the police, admitting that he and Lockerby had killed the Fleurys and then started the fire. Early Wednesday morning, Lockerby also confessed.

Later Wednesday, police searched the Lockerby and Teeple houses and found the safe in the woods where the pair had left it, still unopened.
 
Disturbing.

The two men drove back to the Fleury house, loaded the safe into the truck, then went back into the house, poured gasoline over the furniture in the living room and used their lighters to start the fire, leaving the dogs inside.

Now you KNOW these people are evil. How could any decent person kill a creature as innocent as a dog in such a horrible way as by fire? :scrutiny:

I hope they fry.

Wes
 
True, but the sudden, brutal method of killing the elderly residents gets to me more.

One thing that did occur to me, however, is that the dogs seemed awfully timid. It doesn't sound like the dogs did anything but bark, and were then calmed by the killers. Maybe they were in another room and couldn't get to the fight? More information is necessary, I guess.
 
Tragic :(

I'm thinking...
If George Fleury had come out to check the noise, but with a shotgun in hand, or even a decent handgun (and a reasonable amount of training in its use), there would have been --to my mind-- little chance of his being killed, or his wife. That he saw fit to grab one of the youngsters suggests to me that he was reasonably strong, able, and no coward.

Armed with a gun, he wouldn't have gotten so close to the intruders' blades, and furthermore, he'd have had the advantage of familiarity with the terrain to add to the range advantage of a firearm. He'd know the control and cover points of the house.

The way the admission/testimony is presented, the gasoline wasn't been deployed until after the murders. Even if the intruders would have set fire to the house after being driven off, there's little chance George and his wife couldn't have simply left the burning structure. The intruders would likely have been shot right there, still in the house, for merely brandishing those knives.


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Wes,

Not to devalue any dog's life, but with all the horror inflicted upon that elderly couple,
it surprises me that you would focus on the dogs.

You might argue that we have no idea if the couple were 'good people',
but I might also argue that we have no idea if the dogs were 'good dogs'.
Neither irrelevant stretch holds any value in assessing the horror done to both the couple and their pets.

I do agree with your sentiment tat the two murderers ought to fry.

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horge
 
My thoughts exactly.

It also reinforces the idea of keeping your gun safes secure, at least for me. The wrong person finds out you have them, one thing leads to another, et cetera.
 
The main thing I got out of this...gun issues aside, DON'T GRAB ANYONE! If you're gonna touch someone make it a hard strike to the most vulnerable part of his body available and don't stop striking unil they (and his no good buddy) are no longer a threat. Even better, use the nearest hard object to do the hitting if no firearms are available.
 
The main thing I got out of this...gun issues aside, DON'T GRAB ANYONE!

Oh, I don't know about that. I'd say to make sure you posess adequate strength and dexterity to maintain that grip. I tend to grab people when I fight. Just long enough to send them through something, usually a wall, table, window, etc.
On the other hand, if someone's armed with a knife, I probably wouldn't grab them.
 
Just long enough to send them through something

That would be the completion to my statement...In general, don't grab anyone...if you do grab someone, make sure you take their balance and keep them off balance.

Never grab as a first move because they are in balance...strike, then grab and do what you are gonna do quickly (joint break, throw, shove through window etc...) before they can recover and stab you multiple times in the chest.

The sad part is if this guy had enough of an opening to grab his assailant, then he most assuredly had enough of an opening to hit the guy with a heavy blunt object!
 
True, but the sudden, brutal method of killing the elderly residents gets to me more.

Please, don't get me wrong -- the act was horrible, and the lives of people are worth more than any dog...

The reason I said what I did was that they didn't have to kill the dogs to get their goal, yet they did anyway. That denotes that they did it out of enjoyment. Evil... Pure evil.

Wes,

Not to devalue any dog's life, but with all the horror inflicted upon that elderly couple, it surprises me that you would focus on the dogs.

The killing of those people was truly terrible, but to tell you the truth, I'm not shocked by it. Perhaps I'm getting pessimistic, but I've come to expect such senseless violence.

What truly DOES make me sad is that these older people, who almost assuredly lived in a time when gun ownership was okay -- or even supported -- didn't have one around the house for a serious purpose like the one they encountered.

There's really no reason to not plan for such eventualities... and honestly, in my eyes, I see it as irresponsible behavior. But, again, I guess I'm just getting pessimistic.

Please don't be offended though -- I think thugs killing people is bad enough, but killing animals that are obviously gentle, and for no apparent reason, is especially evil. That's all I'm trying to say.

Wes
 
On Thefumegator's behalf, sometimes it seems society is stricter on animal abuse and killings than it is on human abuse/killing. I took what he said as sarcasm to that point.
 
fume, they didn't HAVE to kill the couple either, and they did. That, in my mind, is far greater evil than killing the dogs, which already pegged the meter.

The worst part about this is that they (criminals) may very well just get 30 years w/chance of parole.


What's that saying....? Rehabilitation through reincarnation? That would've worked much better in this case.



One last thought about the couple being unarmed... was the husband a war vet? If so, I could understand illogical thinking on his part, i.e. not owning any firearms.
 
One thing that did occur to me, however, is that the dogs seemed awfully timid.
Irish Setters .... :rolleyes: They don't know an enemy. Everyone is coming there just to pet them, right?

That said, the dogs did their job of waking the residents, which is really the best thing a dog can do. The people failed, losing their lives and the dogs lives in the process.

Not gonna argue about grabbing or not grabbing someone ... in my case it would be two rounds COM to each intruder, repeat as necessary. (can't wait until after 9-13 and I can hopefully buy a 30 rd mag for my Saiga)
 
Just because Mr. Fleury did not check out the disturbance in his home with a firearm does not mean that he did not own one. Article does not say one way or the other. IMO this once more comes down to the issue of mindset:

Elderly couple probably lived in the same home for years. In a quiet community, chances are they had never victims of violent crime. We all preach to the choir to expect the unexpected. Sadly, I doubt the Fleury's expected anything, let alone something so evil as this, and therein lies the problem.

Denny
 
I posted something similar to this in my blog (along with an applicable image from Oleg's site - if you'd rather I didn't just let me know). I got an interesting reply recently and I thought I'd share it. You can view the entry and replies here.

The comment I'm talking about is anonymous and a good way down.
 
Death penalty. Televised public execution, shown several times a day, alongside photos of the victims.
 
Just read your blog (nice work btw) and am still in shock after reading what anonymous wrote. How can any rational person arrive at the conclusion that " it is not a necessary thing to have weapons in your home and move them with at all times - for all you know they did have guns but he choose not to bring one out with him since he felt he lived in such a safe area. "


Einstein and Zappa were right.




































"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
- Albert Einstein

"There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." - Frank Zappa
 
Thanks. I was hoping that anonymous would come back, because there was actually some potential there for a useful, logical discussion. Maybe even a chance to change a position or two. As of yet I haven't had a reply, so I don't think one's coming.

Just an update for anyone interested, one of the knives used in the crime may have been found, so the prosecution is understably happy about that. I'm not sure they need it since the killers already confessed, but I'm all for anything that would help extend their sentence.
 
I think

The elderly gentleman was grabbing the 18 yr old thinking he could scold him or something. He wasn't expecting such a severe threat.
In the dark he may have mistaken him for his own grandson-the brutal killings and the fact that they burned the dogs alive prove to me that these two psychopaths need to be removed from the gene pool.
 
Punks like this make me sick. They should be taken out back and shot. Or better yet, torn apart by rotwielers.

I tell you, if they had broken into my house, my two australian shepards would definetly done some damage. :cuss: :cuss: :fire:
 
Truly sad and tragic.

Justice is ALWAYS served. Life may not appear to be a zero sum game but eternity is....

Something else that is sad is as I was reading this article, I can hear the comments if George and Anna had been trained and had responded with deadly force.

"Two teens slain by elderly recluse"

"They were good boys, if a bit misguided. They didn't deserve this"

"We were never quite sure about George and Anna"

"They didn't even have a gun and were shot in cold blood"

That sickens me as well, and everyone here KNOWS that it's the truth. Everyone here would react with "good shoot" but the media would have a different take on things.

Is there capital punishment in Vermont?
 
Firing squad time. For both this and similar crimes.
If that bullet pock-marked wall was the fate of both adults and juveniles
who committed rape-murder, torture-murder, or mass murder-such things would happen alot less.
 
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