Kel Tec reveals .410 KSG at SHOT Show

[TTv2]

Holds 5 3 inch shells in each tube, weighs 5.5 lbs. MSRP of $495, so street price of maybe $350.

It looks like a dual tube .410 version of the KS7, which has had issues with 12ga, so I wouldn't be buying one of these until next year for the kinks to be worked out,l. Given the sad state of new .410 pump guns being not good quality, Kel Tec has an opportunity here to claim they make the best .410 pump action for under $500.

This now adds a 3rd .410 on my radar as I have had the Rossi Circuit Judge and Chiappa Double Badger already on my list for a while.

 

[Oninotaki]

Holds 5 3 inch shells in each tube, weighs 5.5 lbs. MSRP of $495, so street price of maybe $350.

It looks like a dual tube .410 version of the KS7, which has had issues with 12ga, so I wouldn't be buying one of these until next year for the kinks to be worked out,l. Given the sad state of new .410 pump guns being not good quality, Kel Tec has an opportunity here to claim they make the best .410 pump action for under $500.

This now adds a 3rd .410 on my radar as I have had the Rossi Circuit Judge and Chiappa Double Badger already on my list for a while.

I got the chiappa double badger in .22 wmr/.410 and it is stellar. Very accurate little combination gun.

I love .410 and have been annoyed for a while now that the only bullpups for it were Turkish mag fed ones so I am pretty stoked for this guy. The price is right, the size and capacity is right, the manufacturer is right enough, and I don't have a pump or bullpup. So this little guy is jumping right to the top of the to get list.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Would only cost $40 to fill the tubes at current .410 prices, assuming you can find it at all.

 

[mcb]

The squirrels will never know what hit them!

 

[12Bravo20]

Would only cost $40 to fill the tubes at current .410 prices, assuming you can find it at all.

That is why I have been reloading 410 shells for 3 decades now.

I love .410 and have been annoyed for a while now that the only bullpups for it were Turkish mag fed ones so I am pretty stoked for this guy.

The Turkish bull pup shotguns are a logo for us left handed shooters. I might actually be interested int eh Kel-Tec since it ejects out the bottom.

The squirrels will never know what hit them!

The dual mag tubes will be useless in most states for hunting purposes. A lot of states limit shotgun capacity to three rounds, one in the chamber and two in the magazine while hunting. I sure would not buy a KSG for hunting since Missouri limits shotgun capacity for hunting purposes.

Now the KSG is a viable option for home defense when loaded with 3" buckshot loads. Plus the length of the KSG is the same as the Mossberg Shockwave AND it can be shouldered without having to add anything or register it as a SBS. And yes I keep my Mossberg 410 Shockwave loaded with 3" 000 buckshot loads for HD use. 5 pellets of 000 buckshot at 1000 fps is nothing to sneeze at.

 

[mcb]

The dual mag tubes will be useless in most states for hunting purposes. A lot of states limit shotgun capacity to three rounds, one in the chamber and two in the magazine while hunting. I sure would not buy a KSG for hunting since Missouri limits shotgun capacity for hunting purposes.

Tennessee and Alabama where I currently hunt have no magazine limit for any game but waterfowl and that is a federal regulation. Ohio where I grew up does for turkey and deer but not small game. I have not seen too many states that have magazine limit for small game and varmints. I would be interested in what states do, I have never run into one. I love squirrel hunting with my Winchester 9410 that holds 8+1 sometimes 9+1 2.5- inch 410 shells.

 

[12Bravo20]

Here is a short list that I found with a quick google search.

• Colorado: 2+1 for all bird hunting and small mammals. 5+1 for big game.
• Connecticut: 2+1 for migratory birds, turkey, and state land deer.
• Delaware: 2+1 for all game species except special snow geese season.
• Illinois: 2+1 for all game species.
• Louisiana: 2+1 for all shotgun hunting.
• Maine: 2+1 for migratory birds. 5+1 for Semi-Autos with other species.
• Michigan: 2+1 for migratory birds. 5+1 all other shotgun hunting.
• Missouri: 2+1 for birds and small game.
• New Jersey: 2+1 for all species except for spring goose season.
• New York: 2+1 for migratory birds. 5+1 for all other species.
• North Dakota: 2+1 for all small game hunting.
• North Carolina: 2+1 for migratory birds only.
• Ohio: 2+1 for all shotgun hunting.
• Oregon: 2+1 for all bird hunting.
• Pennsylvania: 2+1 shells for all small game hunting. No plug needed for big game.
• Vermont: 2+1 for migratory birds. 5+1 for other species.
• Washington: 2+1 for all bird hunting.

There are probably more states that have capacity limits for shotgun hunting. And some states have capacity restrictions for migratory birds (to align with fed laws) but no restrictions for other game.

 

[mcb]

Here is a short list that I found with a quick google search.

• Colorado: 2+1 for all bird hunting and small mammals. 5+1 for big game.
• Connecticut: 2+1 for migratory birds, turkey, and state land deer.
• Delaware: 2+1 for all game species except special snow geese season.
• Illinois: 2+1 for all game species.
• Louisiana: 2+1 for all shotgun hunting.
• Maine: 2+1 for migratory birds. 5+1 for Semi-Autos with other species.
• Michigan: 2+1 for migratory birds. 5+1 all other shotgun hunting.
• Missouri: 2+1 for birds and small game.
• New Jersey: 2+1 for all species except for spring goose season.
• New York: 2+1 for migratory birds. 5+1 for all other species.
• North Dakota: 2+1 for all small game hunting.
• North Carolina: 2+1 for migratory birds only.
• Ohio: 2+1 for all shotgun hunting.
• Oregon: 2+1 for all bird hunting.
• Pennsylvania: 2+1 shells for all small game hunting. No plug needed for big game.
• Vermont: 2+1 for migratory birds. 5+1 for other species.
• Washington: 2+1 for all bird hunting.

There are probably more states that have capacity limits for shotgun hunting. And some states have capacity restrictions for migratory birds (to align with fed laws) but no restrictions for other game.

Your Ohio one is wrong, it's 2+1 for turkey, deer and waterfowl but not for small game and varmints. Born there and have been hunting there 50+ years.

I see allot of those states show a limit for birds but not squirrel or varmint. Some states even consider squirrel varmints.

My point being there are a fair number of states where that shotgun will be legal for some hunting. There is also no reason you couldn't plug it to make it legal in more states. You could do 2/0+1 or 1/1+1.

I think it could be a good utility gun here in Tennessee where we have no limits on capacity for most hunting. In a scabbard on the UTV or on the tractor. One magazine full of shot shells for dealing with snakes, rats, etc and one with slugs or buck shot for dealing with armadillos, coyote and similar. I am always on the lookout for the next armadillo whacker.

 

[12Bravo20]

Your Ohio one is wrong, it's 2+1 for turkey, deer and waterfowl but not for small game and varmints. Born there and have been hunting there 50+ years.

I see allot of those states show a limit for birds but not squirrel or varmint. Some states even consider squirrel varmints.

My point being there are a fair number of states where that shotgun will be legal for some hunting. There is also no reason you couldn't plug it to make it legal in more states. You could do 2/0+1 or 1/1+1.

First I just found that list and did not verify each state's laws

Second, why have a high capacity shotgun like the KSG to just have to install a plug for hunting. And in the case of the KSG, install two plugs. Having to limit two 5 round mag tubes down to one round each is a bit ridiculous. I'll stick to using a standard pump action with plug installed or my double barreled shotguns instead of a KSG.

But you do you, there is no reason to argue over this. This is suppose to be The High Road - not Glock Talk or ARFCOM.

 

[mcb]

First I just found that list and did not verify each state's laws

Second, why have a high capacity shotgun like the KSG to just have to install a plug for hunting. And in the case of the KSG, install two plugs. Having to limit two 5 round mag tubes down to one round each is a bit ridiculous. I'll stick to using a standard pump action with plug installed or my double barreled shotguns instead of a KSG.

But you do you, there is no reason to argue over this. This is suppose to be The High Road - not Glock Talk or ARFCOM.

Exactly, no doubt some will not be able to use this to hunt, some will. I am a big fan of 410 and in a state where this guns capacity is not an issue and thus this gun has a fair amount of appeal to me.

 

[12Bravo20]

I too love my 410 shotguns. And for me the 410 KSG would make a better home defense shotgun than my 410 Shockwave does. They are both the same length. I will definitely look hard at the 410 KSG when it is released later this year.

For those interested, I did a couple of threads about using 3" 410 000 buckshot shells out of my Mossberg Shockwave and Mossberg Model 500 with an 18" barrel. All 5 pellets stayed in a nice tight group out to 15 yards while the pattern opens up to around 12-14 inches at 25 yards. And I got plenty of penetration even at 25 yards with my loads.

 

[TTv2]

I think the entire appeal to this .410 KSG is a high(er) capacity .410 that is short, light, and doesn't have any recoil. I could see real use for it for home defense and for people like me who have so many other .410's that will be purchased in the future and plans to reload it it makes more sense to get it over a 20ga.

 

[12Bravo20]

I have always hunted with 410s all my life (except waterfowl). And I have since switched over to using 410s for home defense since my wife and I are both disabled. And at home defense ranges, an intruder probably won't be able to tell the difference between getting hit with 5 pellets of buckshot out of a 3" 410 shell versus 9 pellets out of a 2 3/4" 12 gauge shell. Pellets are traveling at the same speed no matter what gauge.

 

[Speedo66]

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