Kentucky Constitutional Carry Under Fire?

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I heard mention yesterday that Kentucky may go back to shall issue, and do away with permitless carry. I heard it without sources, so I'm asking here, has anyone heard anything about it? Is there in fact a push to do this?
 
armoredman said:
If the Democrats steal power here in AZ, I would assume that Constitutional carry along with state preemption, AWB and Stand Your Ground will all be on the hit list. They are not holding back anymore - when they have power, they immediately go for blood.
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I live in Illinois and can assure you that if Democrats take your state gun rights will be at the top of their hit list.
 
More "Anti-Gun" bills being heard in the legislature. Another "Safe Storage" bill (one failed last year after 78 of the 87 county Sheriffs opposed the bill). A bill eliminating "Pre-Emption" in the state allowing cities to pass their own gun bills. Mandatory reporting of Lost or Stolen Guns (if you are a victim of a crime, you are charged with a crime if not reported within 48 hours). Ban on carry in all Government buildings and land.

With the Governor, House & Senate all controlled by urban DFL (rural DFLer's are not bad but vote along party lines), these all have chances of passing after passing Red Flag and Universal Background checks last year. They want to pass as many anti gun laws before the election this Fall and may loose total control of the legislature.
 
Bazoo said:
I heard mention yesterday that Kentucky may go back to shall issue, and do away with permitless carry. I heard it without sources, so I'm asking here, has anyone heard anything about it? Is there in fact a push to do this?
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The Legislature we have now is essentially the same one we had that passed permitless carry. What makes you think they would change their mind?
 
True, but
Elkins45 said:
The Legislature we have now is essentially the same one we had that passed permitless carry. What makes you think they would change their mind?
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Nothing I have heard makes me think they would. I have a friend that heard they were considering it. Now... that doesn't mean anything of course. My main source of info about is from gun forums, so I figured I'd ask here.
 
Rumors are weird. In Indiana, long before we had Constitutional Carry, we had one of if not the first lifetime License to Carry Handgun laws. Almost from the start, rumors started (and probably still persist) that the lifetime LTCH is "going away" as if it could be done without the legislature passing a new law. I'd bet this is the same situation with the rumors about Kentucky.
 
I live in Ohio about 1 mile from the Ohio/Indiana border and have shooting friends there. I have not heard about anything changing in Indiana. In Ohio we have the Buckeye Firearms Association that keeps me updated on this sort of stuff. Although I am a paid member they do have a free newsletter. It's a shame Kentucky and Indiana don't have the same in their states available to them.
 
I don't know what resources are available to me here in Kentucky to stay abreast of the situation. Anyone suggest something?
 
nettlle said:
I live in Ohio about 1 mile from the Ohio/Indiana border and have shooting friends there. I have not heard about anything changing in Indiana. In Ohio we have the Buckeye Firearms Association that keeps me updated on this sort of stuff. Although I am a paid member they do have a free newsletter. It's a shame Kentucky and Indiana don't have the same in their states available to them.
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We do! The Indiana State Rifle & Pistol Association (the Indiana affiliate of NRA) does that with emails. Plus, we have indianagunowners.com.
 
Buckeye Firearms Association doesn't miss anything. Email alerts for any gun legislation. The big dogs like NRA and GOA are nice but the state orgs like the Buckeye Firearms Association really keep an eye on local things. Many of these state orgs will let you view things as a guest.
 
Kentucky has constitutional open carry, but concealed carry used to be illegal. A number of years ago, the legislature passed “shall issue” concealed carry licenses. A few years ago, the legislature approved concealed carry without a license. I’ve seen nothing to indicate that is going to change.

It is possible a Democratic legislator introduced a bill to do away with permitless concealed carry, but it has no chance of passing. But they can go back and report that they tried.
 
rhino465 said:
Rumors are weird. In Indiana, long before we had Constitutional Carry, we had one of if not the first lifetime License to Carry Handgun laws. Almost from the start, rumors started (and probably still persist) that the lifetime LTCH is "going away" as if it could be done without the legislature passing a new law. I'd bet this is the same situation with the rumors about Kentucky.
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That Indiana MIGHT do away with the lifetime license to carry would not surprise me.

Indiana did this with WWII vets in a maneuver that seriously irked Dad...I found out about it many years later.

Following WWII, Indiana offered lifetime fishing licenses to returning veterans (might have also included hunting...I don't remember). Dad, of course, availed himself of this opportunity.

Later on...Indiana reneged on it.

How I found out about the story goes back to a time in the 70s when Dad and I were fishing on the Wabash in Lafayette (West Lafayette side, actually, where what is now known as "Launch Apartments") where a pond-like area opened up into the river. I was on the river side and Dad on the pond side. A game warden came along in his john boat and asked me if I had a fishing license. I pulled mine out and showed it to him. He moved over to where Dad was sitting on his tackle box, watching his pole.

Warden: Do you have a fishing license?

Dad: *not moving his eyes from his pole* Yep.

Warden: *stands there in his john boat for a few minutes while Dad continued watching his pole* After a few minutes, he just went away.

Me: Why didn't you show him your fishing license?

Dad: He didn't ask to see it. He asked if I had one.


It was a few years later when I was relating that story to one of my older brothers that my brother laughed and told me why Dad was that way. Dad was a man of his word, and the word of any other person held great weight with him as a result...including those in government positions. While I'm sure that game warden didn't have anything to do with the state reneging on the lifetime fishing license, the fact of the matter was he was a representative of the state that did so and he had no patience with them as a result. He wasn't rude or mean about it...he just precisely answered the warden's question. Had the warden actually asked to see it, Dad doubtlessly would have done so, while just as quietly monitoring his pole as he was before.


I've encountered instances of "lifetime" being reneged on several times since then in my own experiences. One that comes to mind that didn't involve the state was back in the late 80s when Sams offered a free lifetime membership to servicemembers. Being a young Sailor with a wife and newborn daughter, and another on the way, this greatly appealed to me. Only to find out a few years later that it was no longer "lifetime" and if I wanted to keep up a membership, I had to pay regular annual fees.

So yes...I can believe Indiana, or any other state, would reneg on such an agreement at some point. "Lifetime" is a long time to expect such agencies to hold to their word.
 
nettlle said:
Buckeye Firearms Association doesn't miss anything. Email alerts for any gun legislation. The big dogs like NRA and GOA are nice but the state orgs like the Buckeye Firearms Association really keep an eye on local things. Many of these state orgs will let you view things as a guest.
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Do they monitor other states or just ohio?
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
That Indiana MIGHT do away with the lifetime license to carry would not surprise me.

Indiana did this with WWII vets in a maneuver that seriously irked Dad...I found out about it many years later.

Following WWII, Indiana offered lifetime fishing licenses to returning veterans (might have also included hunting...I don't remember). Dad, of course, availed himself of this opportunity.

Later on...Indiana reneged on it.

How I found out about the story goes back to a time in the 70s when Dad and I were fishing on the Wabash in Lafayette (West Lafayette side, actually, where what is now known as "Launch Apartments") where a pond-like area opened up into the river. I was on the river side and Dad on the pond side. A game warden came along in his john boat and asked me if I had a fishing license. I pulled mine out and showed it to him. He moved over to where Dad was sitting on his tackle box, watching his pole.

Warden: Do you have a fishing license?

Dad: *not moving his eyes from his pole* Yep.

Warden: *stands there in his john boat for a few minutes while Dad continued watching his pole* After a few minutes, he just went away.

Me: Why didn't you show him your fishing license?

Dad: He didn't ask to see it. He asked if I had one.


It was a few years later when I was relating that story to one of my older brothers that my brother laughed and told me why Dad was that way. Dad was a man of his word, and the word of any other person held great weight with him as a result...including those in government positions. While I'm sure that game warden didn't have anything to do with the state reneging on the lifetime fishing license, the fact of the matter was he was a representative of the state that did so and he had no patience with them as a result. He wasn't rude or mean about it...he just precisely answered the warden's question. Had the warden actually asked to see it, Dad doubtlessly would have done so, while just as quietly monitoring his pole as he was before.


I've encountered instances of "lifetime" being reneged on several times since then in my own experiences. One that comes to mind that didn't involve the state was back in the late 80s when Sams offered a free lifetime membership to servicemembers. Being a young Sailor with a wife and newborn daughter, and another on the way, this greatly appealed to me. Only to find out a few years later that it was no longer "lifetime" and if I wanted to keep up a membership, I had to pay regular annual fees.

So yes...I can believe Indiana, or any other state, would reneg on such an agreement at some point. "Lifetime" is a long time to expect such agencies to hold to their word.
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That's unacceptable what happened to your dad an his peers. Do you happen to recall what year the legislature reversed/repealed the law? Or was it just a DNR regulatory decision? If the latter, then I could see such a decision changing when the wind blows.

Sure, it could happen the the lifetime LTCH, but probably only if the current (R) super majority in the legislature flip-flopped to a (D) super majority (which I don't think has ever happened, but I could be wrong). The point is, for the lifetime LTCH to "go away," the legislature would have to pass a bill in both houses to do so. It can't just evaporate because some agency (the the state police) decide it on a whim, which was one of the more amusing scenarios for the rumors. On an interesting note, the Indiana Governor signing a bill into law is effectively ceremonial. If the governor vetoes a bill, it only takes a simple majority in each House (even just one vote margin) to override the veto.
 
Might want to take a look at your state's gun rights org. NRA and GOA are good about reporting on the big battles. Just like CNN and MSN. What's going on in your state is small taters to them. Especially when expressing displeasure to your state representatives. It's death by 1000 cuts and it goes both ways.
 
nettlle said:
Might want to take a look at your state's gun rights org. NRA and GOA are good about reporting on the big battles. Just like CNN and MSN. What's going on in your state is small taters to them. Especially when expressing displeasure to your state representatives. It's death by 1000 cuts and it goes both ways.
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How do I find out what my states gun rights org is?
 
rhino465 said:
That's unacceptable what happened to your dad an his peers. Do you happen to recall what year the legislature reversed/repealed the law? Or was it just a DNR regulatory decision? If the latter, then I could see such a decision changing when the wind blows.
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I have no idea, and honestly never looked into it beyond what my older brothers told me over this story.
 
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