Kerry wants "change for America"?!?!?!

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I am getting sick of hearing John Kerry bellow about how he wants to "bring change to America".

Now, he may succeed in turning out George Bush, but if so it because the proper percentage of people hate the President, not because of Kerry's policies, personality, and certainly not because the folks believe he wants to "change America".

John Kerry = career politician = business as usual in Washington (with a D spin as opposed to a R spin).

As to President Bush, he hasn't done much "change" domestically either (unless you count record deficits). He does get my vote because he changed our tradition of toadying to the UN, as well as telling some of our "traditional" allies to go pound sand.

I never thought I would defend Howard Dean, but when HE yelled about "changing America", I believed him, though it made me shudder.

I guess Kerry figured Dean's message played well with those that hate Bush, so now he's hollering that "change America" battle cry.

How lame is Kerry's "Bring! It! On!" chant, as well as his tired "We're coming, he's going, and don't let the door hit you on the way out"?

I don't know - in 1996 there were a lot who absolutely HATED Bill Clinton and yet he won easily over Dole. Are there more Bush haters in 2004 than Clinton haters in 1996? It should be an interesting election....
 
good questions all Greyhound....it is true that a lot of people hate Bush, just as a lot people hated Clinton.....it will be interesting to see if kerry pulls a Bob Dole.....
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it is true that a lot of people hate Bush, just as a lot people hated Clinton

And a lot of people hated Reagan and Nixon and FDR and I'm sure every other President too. When you read about the kind of trash talk that went on early in the history of the office, it makes today look like a gentlemen's contest. The hate just comes with the job, I think.
 
Sorry for the long post....

.... but with a dirtbag like Kerry, there is a lot of material to cover.

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From various NewsMax.com articles and other articles (links provided below), I constructed the following timeline:

- Labor Day weekend, 1970: Fonda & Kerry are the two primary featured speakers at an antiwar protest rally at Valley Forge, PA. The protest started with a march from Morristown to Valley Forge. Kerry was National Coordinator of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, and Fonda was named Honorary National Coordinator of that same group, and they had a personal meeting at the event (according to David Brinkley). The VVAW not only protested the war, but also encouraged American soldiers to munity and desert.

- Winter, 1970: Fonda & Kerry solicited fraudulent testimony about US atrocities supposed committed in Vietnam from some real and some phony veterans. This was called the Winter Soldier antiwar campaign. Fonda & Kerry had a meeting at the Detroit Howard Johnson's Comfort Center, where the event was being held (according to David Brinkley).

- Spring, 1971: In April, Kerry gives his fraudulent testimony in front of the US Congress about supposed war atrocities. Today, those who served with Kerry refute his claims. 'Hanoi Hilton' prison guards taunted American POWs with Kerry's claims of 'American atrocities committed upon innocent Vietnamese civilians'. Kerry also threw his medals on the steps of the Capitol in an antiwar protest with a large sign proclaiming them as "trash", in a guesture of public repudiation of his military honors. The only problem is, it turns out he still has his medals today. He just pretended he was throwing his own medals, but that was BS.

- 1971: After the trial of Lt. William Calley over events that occured at the 'Mei Lai massacre', John Kerry said this at a protest on Wall Street: "Guilty as Lieutenant Calley may have been of the actual act of murder, the verdict does not single out the real criminal ... the United States of America..." A few weeks later, on a Meet the Press interview, he said: "I committed the same kinds of atrocities as thousands of others, in that I shot in free-fire zones, fired .50-caliber machine bullets, used harass-and-interdiction fire, joined in search-and-destroy missions and burned villages." {maybe he should be turned over to the ICC and tried for war crimes, hmmm ? } NBC now refuses to release tape of that interview. And while Kerry protested the 'monied interests' and the 'military-industrial complex' at the Wall Street protest, he had been secretly raising campaign money from some of the Wall Street elite for his Senate campaigns for at least a year previously. This was from donors who had supported the Vietnam war. ( LINK )

- Spring, 1972: Jane Fonda travels to North Vietnam, visits American POW at the 'Hanoi Hilton' prison camp, giving them an antiwar lecture about the evils of American participation in the Vietnam war. She poses for the infamous picture or her sitting at an NVA antiaircraft gun wearing an enemy helmet, pretending to shoot down American planes.

- Fall, 1972: Sept. 18, 1972, the evening before the primary election during his second attempt for Congress, Kerry's brother Cameron and one Thomas Vallely, both part of his current campaign team, were arrested by Lowell police at 1:40 a.m. and charged with breaking and entering with the intent to commit larceny. The two were apprehended in the basement of a building whose door had been forced open, police said. It housed the headquarters of candidate DiFruscia. The Watergate scandal was making headlines at this time, and it was called the 'Lowell Watergate'. ( LINK )

- Spring, 1973: Released American POW John McCain wrote in the May 14, 1973, issue of U.S. News & World Report that Kerry's testimony in front of the Congress about 'American atrocities' was "the most effective propaganda [my North Vietnamese captors] had to use against us." Recently, Sen. John McCain defended Kerry against charges by Ted Sampley on his POW/MIA website that Kerry had not properly investigated the MIA situation in Vietnam, as well as criticizing him for his antiwar record during the Vietnam war.

- 1985: Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap, the North Vietnamese military commander-in-chief during the Vietnam war, publishes his memoirs. In that book, he says that if it werer not for groups like Kerry's VVAW, the North Vietnamese would have surrendered.

- 1992: Kerry visits Vietnam as Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. He praises the government of Vietnam for being "open" about American POWs, and he reports that there are no more American POWs in Vietnam. He also called on President Bush, Sr. to "reward the Vietnamese" for their total cooperation in the POW investigation.A few weeks after the Senate panel’s hearings had concluded, according to Center for Public Integrity, Kerry’s participation in the committee became “controversial†when Hanoi announced that it had awarded a fat contract to Boston real estate firm Colliers International, then headed by the senator’s cousin Stuart Forbes. On 9 April 1992, Committee Chairman Sen. John Kerry ordered all copies of the POW intel briefing destroyed. This fact came out, and damage control ensued. Today, Kerry's campaign website says: “When John Kerry returned home from Vietnam, he joined his fellow veterans in vowing never to abandon future veterans of America’s wars. Kerry’s commitment to veterans has never wavered and stands strong to this day.â€

- 11 February 2004: Jane Fonda publicly defends John Kerry after a photo of the two of them attending the 1970 Valley Forge protest rally surfaces. Fonda says, in a CNN interview: "Any attempt to link Kerry to me and make him look bad with that connection is completely false." She says, "I don't even think we shook hands." Kerry says through his spokesman: "John Kerry and Jane Fonda were just acquaintances."

- 15 February 2004: In an interview with WABC Radio host Steve Malzberg, David Brinkley says Kerry and Fonda had a personal meetings at the 1970 Valley Forge and 1971 Winter Soldier events. Oops! Fonda & Kerry are busted as liars!

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Vietnam Veterans Against the War Statement by John Kerry to the Senate Committee of Foreign Relations


April 23, 1971

I would like to talk on behalf of all those veterans and say that several months ago in Detroit we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit - the emotions in the room and the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

We call this investigation the Winter Soldier Investigation. The term Winter Soldier is a play on words of Thomas Paine's in 1776 when he spoke of the Sunshine Patriots and summertime soldiers who deserted at Valley Forge because the going was rough.

We who have come here to Washington have come here because we feel we have to be winter soldiers now. We could come back to this country, we could be quiet, we could hold our silence, we could not tell what went on in Vietnam, but we feel because of what threatens this country, not the reds, but the crimes which we are committing that threaten it, that we have to speak out....

In our opinion and from our experience, there is nothing in South Vietnam which could happen that realistically threatens the United States of America. And to attempt to justify the loss of one American life in Vietnam, Cambodia or Laos by linking such loss to the preservation of freedom, which those misfits supposedly abuse, is to us the height of criminal hypocrisy, and it is that kind of hypocrisy which we feel has torn this country apart.

We found that not only was it a civil war, an effort by a people who had for years been seeking their liberation from any colonial influence whatsoever, but also we found that the Vietnamese whom we had enthusiastically molded after our own image were hard put to take up the fight against the threat we were supposedly saving them from.

We found most people didn't even know the difference between communism and democracy. They only wanted to work in rice paddies without helicopters strafing them and bombs with napalm burning their villages and tearing their country apart. They wanted everything to do with the war, particularly with this foreign presence of the United States of America, to leave them alone in peace, and they practiced the art of survival by siding with whichever military force was present at a particular time, be it Viet Cong, North Vietnamese or American.

We found also that all too often American men were dying in those rice paddies for want of support from their allies. We saw first hand how monies from American taxes were used for a corrupt dictatorial regime. We saw that many people in this country had a one-sided idea of who was kept free by the flag, and blacks provided the highest percentage of casualties. We saw Vietnam ravaged equally by American bombs and search and destroy missions, as well as by Viet Cong terrorism - and yet we listened while this country tried to blame all of the havoc on the Viet Cong.

We rationalized destroying villages in order to save them. We saw America lose her sense of morality as she accepted very coolly a My Lai and refused to give up the image of American soldiers who hand out chocolate bars and chewing gum.

We learned the meaning of free fire zones, shooting anything that moves, and we watched while America placed a cheapness on the lives of orientals.

We watched the United States falsification of body counts, in fact the glorification of body counts. We listened while month after month we were told the back of the enemy was about to break. We fought using weapons against "oriental human beings." We fought using weapons against those people which I do not believe this country would dream of using were we fighting in the European theater. We watched while men charged up hills because a general said that hill has to be taken, and after losing one platoon or two platoons they marched away to leave the hill for reoccupation by the North Vietnamese. We watched pride allow the most unimportant battles to be blown into extravaganzas, because we couldn't lose, and we couldn't retreat, and because it didn't matter how many American bodies were lost to prove that point, and so there were Hamburger Hills and Khe Sanhs and Hill 81s and Fire Base 6s, and so many others.

Now we are told that the men who fought there must watch quietly while American lives are lost so that we can exercise the incredible arrogance of Vietnamizing the Vietnamese.

Each day to facilitate the process by which the United States washes her hands of Vietnam someone has to give up his life so that the United States doesn't have to admit something that the entire world already knows, so that we can't say that we have made a mistake. Someone has to die so that President Nixon won't be, and these are his words, "the first President to lose a war."

We are asking Americans to think about that because how do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?....We are here in Washington to say that the problem of this war is not just a question of war and diplomacy. It is part and parcel of everything that we are trying as human beings to communicate to people in this country - the question of racism which is rampant in the military, and so many other questions such as the use of weapons; the hypocrisy in our taking umbrage at the Geneva Conventions and using that as justification for a continuation of this war when we are more guilty than any other body of violations of those Geneva Conventions; in the use of free fire zones, harassment interdiction fire, search and destroy missions, the bombings, the torture of prisoners, all accepted policy by many units in South Vietnam. That is what we are trying to say. It is part and parcel of everything.

An American Indian friend of mine who lives in the Indian Nation of Alcatraz put it to me very succinctly. He told me how as a boy on an Indian reservation he had watched television and he used to cheer the cowboys when they came in and shot the Indians, and then suddenly one day he stopped in Vietnam and he said, "my God, I am doing to these people the very same thing that was done to my people," and he stopped. And that is what we are trying to say, that we think this thing has to end.

We are here to ask, and we are here to ask vehemently, where are the leaders of our country? Where is the leadership? We're here to ask where are McNamara, Rostow, Bundy, Gilpatrick, and so many others? Where are they now that we, the men they sent off to war, have returned? These are the commanders who have deserted their troops. And there is no more serious crime in the laws of war. The Army says they never leave their wounded. The marines say they never even leave their dead. These men have left all the casualties and retreated behind a pious shield of public rectitude. They've left the real stuff of their reputations bleaching behind them in the sun in this country....

We wish that a merciful God could wipe away our own memories of that service as easily as this administration has wiped away their memories of us. But all that they have done and all that they can do by this denial is to make more clear than ever our own determination to undertake one last mission - to search out and destroy the last vestige of this barbaric war, to pacify our own hearts, to conquer the hate and fear that have driven this country these last ten years and more. And more. And so when thirty years from now our brothers go down the street without a leg, without an arm, or a face, and small boys ask why, we will be able to say "Vietnam" and not mean a desert, not a filthy obscene memory, but mean instead where America finally turned and where soldiers like us helped it in the turning.
 
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Just A Gigolo


Ann Coulter
AnnCoulter.com
January 28, 2004

AFTER THE New Hampshire primary, Dennis Kucinich's new slogan is: ".001 Percent of America Can't Be Wrong!" John Edwards' new slogan is: "Vote for Me or We'll See You in Court." Joe Lieberman's new slogan is: "Sixth Place Is Not an Option." (Bumper sticker version: "Ask Me About My Delegate.") Al Sharpton's new slogan is "Hello? Room Service?" Wesley Clark's new slogan is: "Leading America's War on Fetuses." Howard Dean's new slogan is: "I Want to Be Your President ... And So Do I!"

That leaves John Kerry (new slogan: "Nous Sommes Nombre Un!"), who is winning Democratic voters in droves on the basis of his superior ability to taunt George Bush for his lack of combat experience. Like every war hero I've ever met, John Kerry seems content to spend his days bragging about his battlefield exploits. Wait, wait ... Let me correct that last sentence: like no war hero I've ever met ...

As everyone has heard approximately 1 billion times by now, Kerry boasts that he has REAL experience with aircraft carriers, and if Bush wants to run on national security, then ... BRING IT ON!

I note that when George Bush directed that precise phrase at Islamic terrorists who yearn to slaughter American women and children, liberals were enraged at the macho posturing of it. But they feel "Bring it on!" is a perfectly appropriate expression when directed at a dangerous warmonger like George Bush. ("Bring it on!" was deemed better than Kerry's first impulse, "Let's get busy, sister!")

Kerry was indisputably brave in Vietnam, and it's kind of cute to see Democrats pretend to admire military service. Physical courage, like chastity, is something liberals usually deride, but are tickled when it accidentally manifests itself in one of their own. One has to stand in awe of Kerry's military service 33 years ago. Of course, that's where it ends, including with Kerry -- inasmuch as, upon his return from war in 1970, he promptly began trashing his fellow Vietnam vets by calling them genocidal murderers.

But if Bush can't talk to Kerry about the horrors of war, then Kerry sure as hell can't talk to anyone about the plight of the middle class. Kerry's life experience consists of living off other men's money by marrying their wives and daughters.

For over 30 years, Kerry's primary occupation has been stalking lonely heiresses. Not to get back to his combat experience, but Kerry sees a room full of wealthy widows as "a target-rich environment." This is a guy whose experience dealing with tax problems is based on spending his entire adult life being supported by rich women. What does a kept man know about taxes?

In 1970, Kerry married into the family of Julia Thorne -- a family estimated to be worth about $300 million. She got depressed, so he promptly left her and was soon seen catting around with Hollywood starlets, mostly while the cad was still married. (Apparently, JFK really was his mentor.) Thorne is well-bred enough to say nothing ill of her Lothario ex-husband. He is, after all, the father of her children -- a fact that never seemed to constrain him.

When Kerry was about to become the latest Heinz family charity, he sought to have his marriage to Thorne annulled, despite the fact that it had produced two children. It seems his second meal ticket, Teresa Heinz, wanted the first marriage annulled -- and Heinz is worth more than $700 million. Kerry claims he will stand up to powerful interests, but he can't even stand up to his wife.

Heinz made Kerry sign a prenuptial agreement, presumably aware of how careless he is with other people's property, such as other people's Vietnam War medals, which Kerry threw on the ground during a 1971 anti-war demonstration.

At pains to make Kerry sound like a normal American, his campaign has described how Kerry risked everything, mortgaging his home in Boston to help pay for his presidential campaign. Technically, Kerry took out a $6 million mortgage for "his share" of "the family's home" -- which was bought with the Heinz family fortune. (Why should he spend his own money? He didn't throw away his own medals.) I'm sure the average working stiff in Massachusetts can relate to a guy who borrows $6 million against his house to pay for TV ads.

Kerry's campaign has stoutly insisted that he will pay off the mortgage himself, with no help from his rich wife. Let's see: According to tax returns released by his campaign, in 2002, Kerry's income was $144,091. But as The Washington Post recently reported, even a $5 million mortgage paid back over 30 years at favorable interest rates would cost $30,389 a month -- or $364,668 a year.

The Democrats' joy at nominating Kerry is perplexing. To be sure, liberals take a peculiar, wrathful pleasure in supporting pacifist military types. And Kerry's life story is not without a certain feral aggression. But if we're going to determine fitness for office based on life experience, Kerry clearly has no experience dealing with problems of typical Americans since he is a cad and a gigolo living in the lap of other men's money.

Kerry is like some character in a Balzac novel, an adventurer twirling the end of his mustache and preying on rich women. This low-born poseur with his threadbare pseudo-Brahmin family bought a political career with one rich woman's money, dumped her, and made off with another heiress to enable him to run for president. If Democrats want to talk about middle-class tax cuts, couldn't they nominate someone who hasn't been a poodle to rich women for past 33 years?

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Kerry discovers he is 'Jewish', not 'Irish'! (now that he needs Jewish voters):

Excerpt from The Many Faces of John Kerry, Insight on the News, 16 Sept 2003:

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To Kerry's advantage his surname sounds Irish and his facial features look Celtic to locals. Virtually everyone has always assumed he was Irish-American. He isn't. And not only is he not Irish-American, his mother's people are New England Brahmins. For some Massachusetts Democrats, voting even once for a Yankee Brahmin requires three "Hail Marys" to cleanse the soul.

The maternal ancestors of John Forbes Kerry include the Forbeses, who made their fortune starting the Boston-China trade, and the Winthrops, one of whom led the English settlers overseas to Boston and was the first governor of Massachusetts in the 1630s. Another Winthrop was governor of Connecticut from 1676 to 1683.

While Kerry's maternal forebears were known by all, he was forgiven that accident of birth for the sake of his father's presumed Irish stock. Kerry says he has known for only about 15 years that his father's mother was in fact Jewish and from the former Austrian empire. He also says he only found out recently, when a Boston Globe reporter informed him of it, that around 1902 his grandfather Kohn, a Jew from Bohemia, changed his name from Kohn to Kerry. Not only that, he says he was completely unaware that grandfather Kerry shot himself to death in the men's room of the Copley Hotel in Boston, a story so notorious that it appeared at the time on the front pages of Boston newspapers.

Although a Kerry spokesman says that he continually corrected reported misstatements about his supposed Irish heritage, it immediately became clear to the scoffing Boston press that the senator had manipulated the misunderstanding to his advantage, having tried to correct the record in only the most tangential way if at all. Other Massachusetts politicians also have lied about their supposedly Irish heritage to gain electoral advantage. But, says Gilleran, "If it were understood by the population that he was not Irish, he would never have risen in Massachusetts politics.

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Kerry's intern/mistress is hiding out on the Dark Continent to remain 'unavailable for comment':

http://216.239.59.104/custom?q=cach.../mainNews1602200453.html+kerry&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

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Some vets who are less than happy about Kerry:

http://www.vnsfvetakerry.com/Welcome.htm

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Please make sure you show this to your favorite liberal Dem. :D
 
As to President Bush, he hasn't done much "change" domestically either


Whoa, there, I must disagree with that!

Here are some major changes Mr. Bush has brought us:

1. Campaign Finance Reform, AKA, the First Amendment Repeal Act.

2. The Patriot Act, AKA The Fourth and Fifth Amendment Repeal Act.

3. Medicare Reform, the largest overhaul of welfare since LBJ.

4. Immigration Reform, which, thank God, seems to be uniformly rejected by just about everyone.

Bush has treaded directly on almost one third of the Bill of Rights, and increased government intrusion into the lives of everyone. This is major social change.
 
"- 15 February 2004: In an interview with WABC Radio host Steve Malzberg, David Brinkley says Kerry and Fonda had a personal meetings at the 1970 Valley Forge and 1971 Winter Soldier events. Oops! Fonda & Kerry are busted as liars!"

Which David Brinkley is this? The David Brinkley of Huntley and Brinkley news fame died in June, 2003. Is this an excerpt from a past interview or another David Brinkley?

Kerry does have a lot of questions to answer but that is typical of slimy politicians. Should be an interesting election.
 
"Change for America"

I know we have a deficit and all, but I don't think we need to start begging for loose coins yet. :D

PS

Kerry comes across as a pompous jerk. Bush comes across as, at worst, clueless. Elections usually go to the more likeable candidate. I think Bush can beat Kerry easily.
 
Economy flourishes, Bush wins.
Economy levels out, Bush probably wins.
Economy tanks, Kerry wins.

In all three scenarios, Americans lose.
 
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