Kimber Custom II is GONE…Sold to Pawn Shop for $525

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Note to the Mods: This is not a “Hate Thread” as I am just posting my legitimate experiences with a weapon that I wasn’t satisfied with.

My odyssey with the Kimber Custom II has ENDED, and I’m satisfied with the outcome. For those of you that haven’t been keeping up with my story and problems, here’s a quick overview.

1) Bought the Custom II about 7 months ago after renting a VERY WORN Kimber Classic (series 1) several times at the range, putting several hundred trouble free rounds downrange and experiencing wonderful accuracy.

2) Began shooting my new Custom II and having great accuracy with it. Reliability was near 100%, the only failure was with a box of Steel Case Wolf Ammo, which I blame on crappy ammo.

3) At around the 500 round point the problems started cropping up. Failure with BRASS case FMJ ammo, failures of all kinds. Failures to eject, failures to feed, problems with the slide locking open halfway through a magazine. Talked to people at the gun shop and here and was told that Kimber ships bad mags with their pistols. SO I bought two Chip McCormick power mags, which were supposed to solve all the problems.

4) Now, about 500 rounds later, the slide was not locking open prematurely, but was still averaging about ONE failure per 50-75 rounds. Borrowed a fabled Wilson Combat mag from a guy at the range and the problems persisted another 150 rounds. The gun was immaculate EVERY time that I took it to the range, clean and oiled, and still had what I consider to be unacceptable problems, especially for a gun nearing the $700 price range.

5) So today, on my day off, I cleaned the gun one last time, and went out to sell it. I disclosed the feed problems to every potential buyer. Several gun shops offered anywhere from 250-400, and I was tempted to sell. Then I went to a few pawn shops. Many of these proprietors who take/sell guns seem pretty ignorant in general about guns. The last shop I went to I showed the gun to a guy who recognized it as “a 1911.” He had remembered seeing very expensive Kimbers at gun shows, and I said that I had paid “a lot.” I said that it should be a range gun, as is has a jam “about every 100 rounds” or so. He asked me how much I’d take for it. I hedged my bets and said “$600 with only the one Kimber mag.” He made me a counter for $525 for the gun and all three mags the box and the manual, and I said yes. Got the transfer bill of sale, and left the store with cash in hand.

I consider myself fortunate to have gotten a good deal for this weapon. I feel a bit guilty that someone might be buying a gun which isn’t 100%, but I basically told the truth about the gun before I sold it.

In short I’m done with Kimber. I can’t afford to pay $2000 to get a reliable handgun. I’m not saying that their products aren’t good, I just had a bad experience. In defense of their customer service department, I cannot comment as I never sent the gun in for service. I’m going to be laid off here in about a week and didn’t want to put more money into something that should have worked out of the box. This is the most expensive gun that I've purchased and the ONLY one to not be 100%.

I’m still in love with the 1911 platform, and I’m sure a 1911 from Springfield or S&W will be in my future, just not for quite some time.
 
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Yes, it was an external extractor model.

I'm really pleased with the deal that I got. I think it was a combo of brand recognition and ignorance on the part of the pawnshop proprietor. With the word “Custom” etched on the frame, I think he was under the impression that the gun came from the Kimber Custom shop and so thought I was taking a HUGE loss on the gun. I was content to let him stay under that impression and walk out the door with cash in hand.

Who ever buys the weapon will get a gun with EXCEPTIONAL accuracy, and lower than 100% reliability, which I disclosed.

All in all I’m happy, even though I took a loss on the gun. My next gun will be another 1911, but it is several years away and will NOT be a Kimber.
 
Take the $525 and buy a Springfield XD45.

They work, unlike the latest crop of Kimbers - this is far from the only Kimber nightmare story I have read about in recent times.
 
I'm curious, why didn't you send it to Kimber for repair?

Several reasons. Let me list them.

1) I'm going to be laid off at the end of fiscal June, and don't have money to put into things besides the essentials.

2) Spending $40+ for insured, next day shipping (which the factory REQUIRES) for something that SHOULD NOT be happening was out of the question for me.

3) Even if I had shipped it back to the factory, they very well could have told me "nothing is wrong" or "get better mags" and then I would have put even MORE $$ into a gun which doesn't perform to expectations.
 
$525...just about the right amount for a NIB Glock, with 2 good magazines shipped with the gun :).

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
^ Check my sig, I already have a G17 that I would NEVER part with. This $$ is going to rent and gas, I'm afraid.
 
There is always a Glock in .357 Sig, .40, 10mm, .45...:)

I can understand paying the bills, but proceeds from a sold gun should always go to another gun if possible :).

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
Your decision not to return the Kimber is based on suppositions. Kimber will reimburse the return shipping if you request it. They'll also address the issues, in fact they replaced one of my buddy's Kimber with a NIB model because they couldn't solve the problem. I'm not trying to flame, but there were other ways around your problem that didn't involve you taking a huge loss on a sale.:eek:
 
You’re right, I did take a loss on the sale, but it was far from “huge.”

Well, call me crazy I'm of the old school which says that when a premium is paid for something then it should work flawlessly. I know that “every company produces some lemons” but anecdotal evidence here and elsewhere would seem to indicate that the external extractor, along with other “features” of the current Series II Kimbers has resulted in a less reliable firearm.

I’m glad your friend’s experience with Kimber’s customer service was a good one. I have heard enough horror stories to lead me to believe that pouring more $$ (which I don’t have right now) into something that I have lost confidence in is pointless. Even if I was flush right now there is no room in my life for “range queens” that are less than 100% reliable.
 
StrikeFire83:

The Old Fuff, speaking from experience, would agree that when you buy an expensive pistol (and I would call that one "expensive") you have a right to expect that it will function reliably. It used to be that way with 1911 pattern pistols, and it still is with other makes - some of which cost much less then the Kimber you bought.

You should be able to buy a handgun with the expectation that you will not have to soon return it for "corrections," that should have been tended to in the first place.

And when a manufacturer disappoints you, with less then expected quality and workmanship there is no reason to go back and buy another product from them.

I am sorry about what happened to you, but frankly it is not an uncommon story. Better luck next time.
 
The Old Fuff, speaking from experience, would agree that when you buy an expensive pistol (and I would call that one "expensive") you have a right to expect that it will function reliably. It used to be that way with 1911 pattern pistols, and it still is with other makes - some of which cost much less then the Kimber you bought.

You should be able to buy a handgun with the expectation that you will not have to soon return it for "corrections," that should have been tended to in the first place.

And when a manufacturer disappoints you, with less then expected quality and workmanship there is no reason to go back and buy another product from them.

I am sorry about what happened to you, but frankly it is not an uncommon story. Better luck next time.

Yes. I own several weapons, the the most expensive of which, the Kimber, was the ONLY one that wasn't 100% reliable.

Are you telling me that given 2006 production methods, I cannot expect a reliable 1911 in the $600-$700 price range?
 
Are you telling me that given 2006 production methods, I cannot expect a reliable 1911 in the $600-$700 price range?

Well it's getting harder too do. The 1911 platform was never intended to be made using the methods and materials that are being used now. If I was going to recommend a manufacturer right now I'd suggest (of all people) Smith & Wesson. Reports on their products have been generally good, and if you do have to send a gun back they pay for the shipping costs both ways.

On a personal basis, if I had up to $700.00 to spend it would go toward a used, older, pre-1970's Colt. The finish might be worn, but it would likely go BANG! when it was supposed to, it would be made entirely of "real-steel," and it wouldn't be all that much to get better sights on it and have it reblued or Parkerized if that was important. I much prefer referbishing older guns rather then buying new ones as a general rule. The other option I have (or had) is to build a gun from scratch, but if one uses top-quality components I'm not sure the cost would stay within budget, and you probably can't go that way anyhow.

Wait until you're in a position to come back into the market, and then scout around the forums to see what the current situation is.

And always listen to what Tuner's saying. He knows, and speaks the truth, and the chips can fall where they may. ;)
 
Well, call me crazy I'm of the old school which says that when a premium is paid for something then it should work flawlessly.


Ah, but if only life were that simple. I bought a shotgun recently from the 480 year old Fabbrica D'Armi Pietro Beretta company of Italy. A fine company, perhaps you've heard of them? This shotgun to be specific:

http://products.berettausa.com/frame_tabellaprodotti_2002.asp?sgmt=9&Model=AL391 Urika

The only problem was that it had a semi-chronic problem with failing to feed the second shell. 1-2 times in every hundred shots it would fail to cycle. I sent it to their repair department, they replaced a single defective part, and returned it within a few days. It's not experienced a single hiccup since. Runs smoother than silk.
 
I have had problems with ALL three Kimbers I have owned.

These included a Custom TLE II, the Pro Carry, and a Target 10 mm.

None would feed reliably.

I sent two of these three guns back to Kimber for service. I had to pay shipping BOTH ways. They were very unapologetic about that. There customer service department is generally unhelpful and unfriendly. NEITHER of the two guns I sent back was returned to me in any better condition than when it was sent.

I will not buy another Kimber.

I have had bad luck with a Springfield Loaded, Mil-Spec, and Mico Compact. I won't buy another Springfield either.

I currently own a few Colt's and a very sweet S&W 1911. For the money I think the S&W is the best deal out there right now.
 
I dunnoh you could get a SIG P220 and not have a problem.
I wasnt so fortunate but SIG paid for the shipping both ways and did fix the gun. I did have to stomp my foot a couple times to get their attention though.

If you fire enough rounds through enough guns you will get a problem. I have one glock thats been flawless, and another that was jamming on every round, and actually locked up on me right out of its G-34 Box. That problem was solved with new magazines from Glock. But they shipped the gun with 10 round mags that had problematic followers.

I would have given Kimber a chance to fix the gun. Did you clean the external extractor well like with a brass or nylon brush and CLP?
 
You're absolutely right, you shouldn't have to fiddle with expensive 1911s. But you did the right thing by getting rid of it. No use keeping something that didn't live up to your expectations.
 
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