Justin Holder
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Buy both. Then the one you don't like I will buy at only a small loss to you.
Kimber vs. new Winchester?
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blacktailhunter
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I bought a kimber .spent a lot of $ my browning out shot it by far .The kimber was the bigist P>O>S i ever spent my $ on look at a win model 70 cant go rong
I bought a kimber .spent a lot of $ my browning out shot it by far .The kimber was the bigist P>O>S i ever spent my $ on look at a win model 70 cant go rong
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I own four kimber rifles model 84 in 308,model 8400 in 300wsm ,montana in 270 wsm and model 84 stainless fluted 22-250 for varmint hunting.All have served me well, and very accurate shooting ,one inch moa or less at 100 yards.four months ago checked out the new winchester made by fn in columbia, south carolina .I purchased the sporter model in 270wsm ,extremely surprized at the quality of workmanship and accuracy,purchased two supergrades,one coyote light and three winchester extremes in 30-06 ,3oowsm and 325wsm. first time out with the 300 wsm with factory ammo I shot three rounds at 100 yards to sight in, all three bullets were in the same hole from the benchrest.my kimbers and sakos have never done that .winchester has definitly stepped up there game,check them out,feature to feature best value for the money,regards Marc
I own four kimber rifles model 84 in 308,model 8400 in 300wsm ,montana in 270 wsm and model 84 stainless fluted 22-250 for varmint hunting.All have served me well, and very accurate shooting ,one inch moa or less at 100 yards.four months ago checked out the new winchester made by fn in columbia, south carolina .I purchased the sporter model in 270wsm ,extremely surprized at the quality of workmanship and accuracy,purchased two supergrades,one coyote light and three winchester extremes in 30-06 ,3oowsm and 325wsm. first time out with the 300 wsm with factory ammo I shot three rounds at 100 yards to sight in, all three bullets were in the same hole from the benchrest.my kimbers and sakos have never done that .winchester has definitly stepped up there game,check them out,feature to feature best value for the money,regards Marc
Dude. Buy a M70!! I have a new Winchester M70 sporter in .270 win. Love it! I tried 3 different ammos. 2 in 130 grains and 1 in an 140 grains. Guess what? All shoot under an inch at 100 yards.
One of my best friend's brother runs Hill Country Rifles in New Braunfels TX. They don't accept Kimbers to work on, because they shoot like crap for the most part. They work on rifles to help with improving accuracy on rifles, but they also make custom jobs. That says a lot to me...
One of my best friend's brother runs Hill Country Rifles in New Braunfels TX. They don't accept Kimbers to work on, because they shoot like crap for the most part. They work on rifles to help with improving accuracy on rifles, but they also make custom jobs. That says a lot to me...
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Some do some don't but they've definitely got some issues. They remind me of Rugers in that respect they either shoot great or not at all. Of course my one and only FN built M-70 was initially an accuracy nightmare.
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H&H, you are right. Some Kimbers are shooters, and a lot are not. Last I heard Hill Country Rifles would rather not work on them due to all the inconsistencies they have seen with the rifles.
Me? I'd rather not spend over a grand on a rifle to find out if I got a shooter or not. Might as well just get a Savage and the extra cash spent on nice glass.
Me? I'd rather not spend over a grand on a rifle to find out if I got a shooter or not. Might as well just get a Savage and the extra cash spent on nice glass.
Grey Morel
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If you look into the actual reports, they tend to be cross-posted over many forums, making one report look like 4.
Reports seem to be mostly with the 7-08 and 308. When your shooting a centerfire gun that weighs less than most rimfires, every slight movement is magnified (as is recoil). I also find it suspicious that the reports of bad accuracy are with the two harder recoiling calibers of these air-weight rifles.
If these reports were made of an 9lb 300 Win mag, everyone would blame shooters technique/ recoil anticipation/ flinching, ect.... The 308 kimber has every bit as much recoil energy, and HIGHER recoil velocity, yet the poor groups with these guns are due to crappy kimber manufacturing.
10 years from now, I'd rather say I own a Kimber than re-badged winchester... just like I'd rather have an Ugartechea double than a Stoeger.
Reports seem to be mostly with the 7-08 and 308. When your shooting a centerfire gun that weighs less than most rimfires, every slight movement is magnified (as is recoil). I also find it suspicious that the reports of bad accuracy are with the two harder recoiling calibers of these air-weight rifles.
If these reports were made of an 9lb 300 Win mag, everyone would blame shooters technique/ recoil anticipation/ flinching, ect.... The 308 kimber has every bit as much recoil energy, and HIGHER recoil velocity, yet the poor groups with these guns are due to crappy kimber manufacturing.
10 years from now, I'd rather say I own a Kimber than re-badged winchester... just like I'd rather have an Ugartechea double than a Stoeger.
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BluegrassDan
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I agree Grey. The Kimber .308 has quite a bit of kick. It's also very important to have it resting on something good and solid.
I picked the Kimber mostly because it fit me way better than the Winchester. They're both good guns, but there seems to be a lot of uncertainty in the Winchester company for the last 4 or 5 years. I'm happy with the Kimber. Great gun, beautiful wood and finish, all steel, Mauser claw extractor...looks great with a Leupold!
I picked the Kimber mostly because it fit me way better than the Winchester. They're both good guns, but there seems to be a lot of uncertainty in the Winchester company for the last 4 or 5 years. I'm happy with the Kimber. Great gun, beautiful wood and finish, all steel, Mauser claw extractor...looks great with a Leupold!
BluegrassDan,
You wrote: "The Kimber .308 has quite a bit of kick. It's also very important to have it resting on something good and solid."
I don't agree that the Kimber 308 kicks all that hard. The Kimbers have an excellent stock design and the Decelrator recoil pad.
Don't "rest your rifle on something good and solid" when you shoot it. In fact when using a rest many suggest a very soft towel under light rifles instead of the usual harder 'sand bag'.
I have and use a number of rifles including pre 64 M70's. I bought my first one new in 1957 and I still have it. I also have owned M70 Classics and many other rifles for hunting and target shooting.
I wanted an even lighter rifle than the M70 and M99 Featherweights for hunting and now I have five Kimbers. I find the Kimber 84M's and 8400's to be of excellent quality. In particular I find that the Kimber safeties operate much better than the M70's.
I have handled new M70's in stores that have a safety thats hard to articulate with one's thumb and they make a loud noise on let off. Also a few had a hard bolt lift with their firing pins down.
You wrote: "The Kimber .308 has quite a bit of kick. It's also very important to have it resting on something good and solid."
I don't agree that the Kimber 308 kicks all that hard. The Kimbers have an excellent stock design and the Decelrator recoil pad.
Don't "rest your rifle on something good and solid" when you shoot it. In fact when using a rest many suggest a very soft towel under light rifles instead of the usual harder 'sand bag'.
I have and use a number of rifles including pre 64 M70's. I bought my first one new in 1957 and I still have it. I also have owned M70 Classics and many other rifles for hunting and target shooting.
I wanted an even lighter rifle than the M70 and M99 Featherweights for hunting and now I have five Kimbers. I find the Kimber 84M's and 8400's to be of excellent quality. In particular I find that the Kimber safeties operate much better than the M70's.
I have handled new M70's in stores that have a safety thats hard to articulate with one's thumb and they make a loud noise on let off. Also a few had a hard bolt lift with their firing pins down.
I've never understood the fascination with Kimber, go with the Winchester they've been building rifles for a very long time. The history of Kimber is not exactly stellar, even over the very short period of time they've been around.
My father has a Kimber and loves it. I have a Winchester and adore it. Bought it to support American production, and have as a back up rifle, even though I ussually use slug guns. It has become my favorite .30-06. I would buy another M70 in a heart beat, but even after spending time with my father's Kimber, I would buy some thing else for the money. It's not a bad gun, I just don't think it's all that it is made out to be.
They are both excellent choices and my current top choices for a production hunting rifle. I have the Kimber Classic Select in .257 Roberts and the Winchester Extreme Weather SS in 30-06, both topped with a Leupold VX-3 2.5-8x scope. I also bought a new M70 in .243 several months back, but I haven't set that one up yet. Both are highly recommended!
rozziboy18
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man. take your pick. i have a new m70 in '06 and several kimbers. both are great guns,
both very accurate with the winner being kimber, im my case...oh god im going to be crusified for saying that.
i personaly perfer the kimber. its lighter, more accurate, holds value and fits me well.
my newly aquired kimber 84m montana in 7-08 is down right deadly! it
holds groups under a moa out past 200 in three shot strings. weighs nothing, and with
both pillar and glass bedding combinded on from what i can tell is included on all there
rifles. ill stick with kimber
imho of course
both very accurate with the winner being kimber, im my case...oh god im going to be crusified for saying that.
i personaly perfer the kimber. its lighter, more accurate, holds value and fits me well.
my newly aquired kimber 84m montana in 7-08 is down right deadly! it
holds groups under a moa out past 200 in three shot strings. weighs nothing, and with
both pillar and glass bedding combinded on from what i can tell is included on all there
rifles. ill stick with kimber
imho of course
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