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Don - still following your progress!! That is a nice job - and love the maple, and the blade profile too.

Read your info on how you fit handles etc ... use of epoxy etc but - re the pins .... do you also peen the ends a bit too - to help keep them captive.? I am thinking I could oh so easily get ''the bug'' ... following your work - and looks too as tho you are gaining proficiency real quick. Nice.
 
Great to see your progress as this thread continues, I'm retiring in a couple of years and knifemaking seems like a great way to keep busy. Keep up the good work!
 
You can peen the ends of the pins but I haven't. I rough up the pin stock on the grinder (and the lanyard tubing too) and it should stay forever with the epoxy.

This is a fun hobby but it's hard to get it right. I don't ever expect to sell knives for $500 like some guys do but once I master some of the details I should be able to sell enough to keep me in supplies, anyway. That reminds me - have to order more stuff! :D
 
As epoxies and stuff improve, more and more makers are getting away from peening pins. 90% of the time I still peen them a little bit though. Its not too difficult, and that way its worry free. The epoxy is there to hold it. But should it fail, the pins hold it together just as tight, and the epoxy still serves as a seal.
Just be sure to chamfer/countersink the tops of the pin holes just a tiny bit before you glue it up. Then after epoxy has set, peen your pins down and grind them flush. Don't over do it, the end only has to be a couple thousandths bigger than the hole to hold. Go too far and you could crack the scale.

Also, nice job on that last one valkman. I haven't tried doing a gaurd yet. You should try and do some bolsters. It will give you some practice peening pins and looks real classy :D
You ought to read and post in the shoptalk section over at www.bladeforums.com some too if your not there already :D
 
Fitting that one guard just about killed me! Man I need a mill - a small one anyway. The one I finally fit was the fouth one overall so 3 went in the trash. It's tough to cut those slots straight and the perfect width! :)
 
Yep :D
I get enough frustration making framelocks without a mill, that I don't even bother with gaurds on fixed blades. If they all were that frustrating I might quit ;)
What might make life a little easier on your next try is to rough the slot out by drilling a line of holes. Especially if you've got a cross vice to walk the peice along in a straight line. A scribed line and center punch is enough though. Use a drill diameter just a little under the final width of your slot. Straighten the edges up, and then do that final fit.

As far as a small mill. I say that to myself all the time, but I've talked to a lot of people who have them, and what I really need is a BIG mill :D The small ones will notch a gaurd OK, but then you find yourself sayin "hey I got this mill....maybe I can do THIS..." and it chokes horribly. Then you just find yourself hating the little mill you wanted so bad.

I do a lot of fitting with a dremel and the thin cut off wheels also. Thats how I cut all the locks on my folders. Fix yourself up with a peice of 1X2 about 18" long. Clamp it horizontally in your bench vice. Then clamp your work to the end of it with a C-clamp or something. Lets you work on stuff while its flat, but gets it up off the bench top so you can get at it.
Also handy for filing stuff like that. You can hold the file vertically, which gives you a pretty good reference on being square. And you can look down on your line while your filing.
 
Now I see they sell pre-slotted guards - that's the way to go! Ha. Then I saw where one knifemaker uses JB Weld to put guards on so there's no nasty flux to mess things up. I like that idea!

One of these days we'll have to work a trade - fixed for a folder! :D
 
Redneck, last night I decided to do some testing - with a cheater bar! I took that last knife with the spalted maple handle and put it in the vise, then bent it over to see if it would go 90 degrees without breaking. It didn't - it broke off long before that and I know why. When I soldered the guard I got the knife too hot and ruined the temper, so I wasn't suprised. Then I took the last tanto blade I made and tried it - 90 degree bend with no problem. That was nice to see! It seems everything I learned about differential heat treating with refractory cement works! I have to get a better torch for soldering or go to JB Weld for installing guards. :)
 
Yep, thats the other trick with soldering, not screwin up what you got already :D Try to find low temp solder (I think they make some that will flow around 400 deg F now). You can wrap the blade in a wet towel, or have it submerged in water too. Just remember to watch the colors on the steel. If the color moves up onto the blade and gets darker than what you tempered too, you've gotten it too hot.

The funny thing is that when soldering you probably got the knife too hot and made it soft, which I would have thought would make the knife bend easier. Did it kink right at the gaurd and then break like it was overly soft?

You didn't quench it in anything right after soldering did you? Might have hardened it. Might have been ok if you tempered again after soldering.

I haven't gotten into the differential heat treat thing yet. I mostly make blades under 5" and don't really find it necessary for them. Nothing against it, just not something I've tried.
Bending to destruction is a great test though for several reasons. The best I think, is that you can look at the grain structure. The finer the better. With your differential heat treat you can probably see variation in size across the blade. You want to keep it from being too coarse because that affects the strength. A peice quenched from forging temp will have a very coarse grain structure compared to a peice that has been properly normalized and quenched for example. They should have about the same hardness, but the coarse peice will snap MUCH easier.
It also lets you test the flexibilty of your knives like you've done and see if you have them where you want them. Personally I like a stiff blade and would rather have one try to hold its shape, other folks want to be able to lay into one and bend it back when they're done. All personal preference and something to tweak to your liking.
 
It broke about 1/2" in front of the ricasso line, and that whole area was discolored. Last night I did it again - seems soldering with MAPP gas isn't a good idea! I heat treated the knife again and and used JB Weld to put the guard back on. We'll see how that works - I saw where a knifemaker actually does it that way. I'd like to just incorporate the guard into the blade but with my grinder I can't use small wheels so tight curves are tough and I wind up using the Dremel on them. I want to try fitting bolsters also. :)
 
Lots of folks use JB weld. Its good stuff. If I remember right it was one of the better performers in an epoxy/adhesive test a guy on BFC did also.

Bolsters are a breeze compared to a gaurd. Pretty much just cut your bolster stock to length and width then drill your holes the same way you would scales. You'll want 2 pins through them probably. Once the holes are drilled, stick some pins through both bolsters and grind the front and back to shape with them stuck together. This will ensure they're even. Be sure to polish the front edge before you attach them so you don't scratch the blade up in the process. It helps to take a sanding block and some 400 or so grit sandpaper and flatten the back edge up where they meet the scales also, makes a cleaner fit.
Don't bother grinding the top or bottom edges till they're attached to the knife. Makes it a lot easier to match them up with the tang.
Make sure your pinstock is the exact same material as your bolster or they won't blend in after you peen them.
Really not as hard as it sounds. I like to dovetail them, which is a little more tricky to get them even, but not bad at all. Main thing is you need a disc sander or belt grinder with a good adjustable work table to grind the bevels.
 
Fellow Knifemakers,
For some reason, I didn't respond to this thread in good fashion.
I made knives professionally till about ten years ago and I am more than willing to share any knowledge that I have regarding knifemaking.
I made and sold about 200 knives and was very influnced by the designs of Bob Loveless.
I have developed some epoxy tecniques and have refined some hilt soldering chores.
I built a belt grinder with an 8 inch contact wheel and a 132 inch belt to give myself a hollow grinding capability.
Believe me, it's much easier to make a knife by hollow grinding.
I know that I will hear some flack about this but:
If you are going to make knives to sell, I highly recommend having your blanks professionally heat-treated.
A specified hardness/ toughness is guarenteed.
If you go this route however, use a tool steel of a known alloy as your heat-treater will need this info.
Once again, I realize that I don't have ALL the answers but I'm more than willing to share the info that I have.
Respectfully, Zeke
 
Redneck, thanks for the bolster advice - can't wait to try it!

Zeke, welcome to this thread! Boy I need the help! :) I am also greatly influenced by Loveless and have been doing nothing BUT hollow grinding. Most of the knives I'm making are a variation of his 4" drop point hunter which I love. I'd much rather make those than tactical knives! I also love his philosophy that his knives will last forever and they will the way he builds 'em.

I haven't made a decision yet about heat treating but sending them to someone like Bos certainly helps with people knowing the quality. I am very happy with my own HT but as I move to different steels it might be nice to just send them out and just tell Paul what they are and let him do it. I hear it's not that expensive.

Well I spent a bunch of money at Tandy leather yesterday, so now I'm a sheathmaker too. Nothing like taking on about 20 new things at once! LOL
 
Valkman,
At one time, Tandy had a well-stocked store about 10 miles from my home it was easy to keep with sheath making material.
A 7-9oz. side was about 50 bucks and I got quite a few sheaths from a side.
I really like the Loveless pouch type sheath both for it's practicality and also it's ease of manufacture.
I made templates for these and it became very easy to duplicate a particular sheath.
A good dose of neetsfoot oil applied liberally to the finished sheath completes the job.
Another note:
I used mostly brass bar stock for hilt material and stainless steel pins. Also the hilts were soldered in place with stainless solder.
If you go this route however, flush the still warm ( not hot) blade hilt assembly with a strong baking soda water solution to neutralize the flux residue.
A solder joint at the hilt- blade juncture is an important part of making a "last forever" knife.
Respectfully, Zeke
 
The Loveless-type sheath is exactly what I want to make! I got his book yesterday and although it's pretty much the same as the video it spells things out in much more detail. I have my first sheath cut out and molded, and now have to cut the welt, glue it up and sew it. We'll see how it turns out! I did gets neatsfoot oil, barge cement, and everythning else I should need. The sewing of that thick of leather should be fun - Loveless even suggests taking it to a shoemaker for sewing. :uhoh:

I wish I'd of started with brass guards - I didn't know it was easier to work with. My latest knife is looking great, but I went back today and did about 2 hours of hand filing and sanding to make it even better. :)
 
Try heatsink paste to protect the blade

If ya gots to solder (and I haven't actually, I make pukkas--no bolster or guard), use heat sink. Its this paste that goes on around the solder work area and it SUCKS up heat. Over time, it gets hard and then you just wipe it off. It wasn't cheap, but wasn't expensive either...8$? for a tube 2x the size of a toothpaste tube? I think Jantz had it.

Nice work, BTW
 
You're right - Jantz does have that stuff! Thanks for the tip!

Here's the latest, a 4" drop point hunter with ironwood handles and a leather sheath. Still not happy with the blade finish, so when I get done putting coats of finish on the handle and seal it I'll do some hand sanding on it. Hopefully I'll get an etcher this month so I can put my name on these and start selling 'em - I need money for supplies! :)

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Wow that is a nice handle. I don't much care for the shape of the blade but thats probably just me. What dose some thing like cost to make?
 
It depends how cheap you get the steel - and how many you ruin trying to make knives. :) I've got a bin with 10 or more crap knives and that's probably over $100 in steel alone. This knife probably cost $30 in materials and way more hours than I'll ever get paid back for.

That's strange that you don't like the style - the drop point hunter is probably the biggest seller of all time. I like it alot, but I also watched a video of Loveless making his version of it and that had alot to do with me making that style for now. :)
 
Yea I would love to be able to get one but of corse I'm married and only get payed 7.75 an hour :(

I do some mettle working. Mostly chain maille stuff right now.
 
Won't call myself a bladesmith, but I have pounded on enough hot steel that a few knives come out every now and again. My best is a drop point made of 52100 ball bearing steel, (a real big ball bearing roller) heat treated it myself in a coal forge in a mixed oil quench. The hard part was just getting the steel just hot enough to go nonmagnetic for me,(eyes not so good with colors) so that magnet on the side of my anvil isn’t just to take the ping out my hammer. Lot of fun metal working, part art, part science, all smiles.

If any one wants to learn the ins and out of forging a blade and can afford it the American Bladesmith Society has a school down in Texarkana and will teach you everything you need to know to make a good blade. Plus getting started doesn’t take much money. Books like the Wayne Goddards $50 knife shop will show you how.

I might try making a front stuffer someday, but gotta learn all that lock work and making small parts stuff first.


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That last one looks real good :)
As far as hand rubbing blades, its a PITA. But you really need to have that done before you attach the handle. Your going to have a heck of a time getting a clean finish around the front of the handle/gaurd now.
Hand rub it and then wrap it in masking tape before attaching the handle. Might leave you a little clean up work on the spine to do when your finishing the handle, but its a lot easier overall.
 
I have this real bad habit of getting in a hurry, and I never should have sharpened it when I did. Last night I carefully went over the blade with sandpaper and in the process dulled it quite a bit so it's not so dangerous now. I thought I might have trouble getting $75 for this but a guy already agreed to buy it so that was easy. That's what I'm really hoping to do - make 'em and then sell 'em. I don't really want to take orders and get stacked up to where can't keep up but we'll see. I know they won't be at $75 for long! :)
 
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