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Recently I started getting leading in my barrel. Following the advice of others, I ran a patch soaked in Kroil thru the bore and waited 5 - 10 minutes. Others rave about how the lead comes out in sheets after doing this. In my case, it had no effect. What are your experiences with Kroil and lead removal? Good? or like mine?
 
I've never seen anything special with it. What kind of barrel are you talking about/what type of gun?
 
Kroil is an absolutely fantastic penetrating oil, but I've never used it to remove leading. I'd try soaking it overnight before you make up your mind.
 
Isn't Kroil used with a bore paste to remove leading. Kroil is a super penetrating oil, but I can't see how it could remove leading by itself.
 
Kroil is a super penetrating oil, but I can't see how it could remove leading by itself.

I believe the theory is that Kroil penetrates beneath the lead, and "floats" it loose.
 
Kroil is a rust/corrosion penetrant and carbon deposit dissolving agent. I doubt if it would penetrate beneath and "float off" lead deposits in a steel barrel, but not having tried it, cannot say for certain. Perhaps you could plug one end of the barrel, fill it up with the Kroil, stand it upright overnight and see what happens the next morning. If it doesn't work, you're only out a little time.
 
I believe the theory is that Kroil penetrates beneath the lead, and "floats" it loose.
As good a penetrating oil as Kroil is, I've yet to experience any solvent "break" a nut loose by itself.
"Elbow grease" is also required.
 
I had the same experience. I've used Kroil for years for it's very effective results as a penetrating oil, and read where somebody declared it a miracle lead remover. I gave it a whirl on one of my revolvers: might have gotten a few specks, but the rest had to get scrubbed out by a lead remover (don't have the Lewis (http://www.missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=71&category=7&secondary=&keywords=), but I've been meaning to get one since around 1968... :cool: )
 
According to Machinist's Workshop, April 2007 issue, Kano Kroil was the best commercial penetrating oil for breaking free rusted nuts. Liquid Wrench took only about 20% more pressure, but costs only about 1/5 as much. However, the best penetrate they tested was one that I have used for years: a 50/50 mix of ATF and acetone. This homebrew mix took only half the force to free the test pin. The article even suggested power steering fluid would work. (It is actually usually the same stuff, only pricier in the bottle labelled for power steering.)

I keep some pre-mixed in a relabelled acetone can (about the same size as the Kroil one). For ATF, I use the Ford type (there is some chemistry behind this, not that I have any love for Ford). It does work well to soak a barrel -- I plug one end (usu. the breech) with a silicone stopper, carefully pour the mix in with a funnel, and plug the other end with another stopper. You have to seal both ends, otherwise the acetone will evaporate. Yes, this does seem to release lead, copper, and a lot of other goop from the bore. All with little effort and abrasion.

This mix also works really well to free those stuck choke tubes. Soak for a week, then apply muscle. Only once did I have to apply heat to get a stuck tube out after using this solution.

If I want to use it with patches and strip out copper, I mix a batch with about 10% commercial ammonia and some Xanthan gum to thicken it. After getting the bore as clean as I can, I start running this mix through with a mop until the whole thing is coated. After getting a couple patches without blue or green on them, I repeat the mopping. If I seem to have gotten all the copper out, I then take the barrel to the tub and wash it inside and out with water and Simple Green. After drying it with a hair dryer, I suggest running some CLP or equiv in it, on it, over it, around it, etc.

BTW, I use brake fluid for soaking parts having a little surface rust for a few months before I buff them. Brake fluid can actually reverse very light rust. It also stops rust from continuing. (Not much oxygen or water submerged in there...) You can take a little rust off of a barrel with brake fluid and light rubbing with 0000 steel wool. Sometimes I'll throw some brake fluid on something until I can get back to it -- even if just to keep it from rusting. I have a few 1 1/2" and 2" pipes, capped on one end and have a screw-on cap on the other, which I keep filled with various fluids. One has brake fluid and is often a parking place for a barrel after cleaning (and drying with aforementioned hair dryer) until I get the action rebuilt and ready for dealing with the metal finishes.

Oil Treatment (like STP) mixed with a little acetone can also be used to make a decent CLP-like fluid. We used to use that mix in the action of a firearm. The Oil Treatment is sticky enough to cling to the metal and thinning it with acetone makes it easier to get a thin coating. (It also cleans the surface a little, helping the adhesion.) I would put straight Oil Treatment in the bore when putting a gun away for a while. Mobil 1 gear oil (the heavy weight POA stuff) also makes a good lubricant. I have pretty much given up on these STP/gear-oil solutions since there are good products on the market that don't break the bank (CLP, Rig, etc.), but I use the ATF/acetone mix almost every week.
 
I had the same experience. I've used Kroil for years for it's very effective results as a penetrating oil, and read where somebody declared it a miracle lead remover. I gave it a whirl on one of my revolvers: might have gotten a few specks, but the rest had to get scrubbed out by a lead remover (don't have the Lewis (http://www.missouribullet.com/detail...ary=&keywords=), but I've been meaning to get one since around 1968... )

This missouribullet.com site actually has the nerve to embed Brownells YouTube on how to use the Lewis lead remover! :uhoh:
 
"Others rave about how the lead comes out in sheets after doing this."

I've been using Kroil for years in conjunction with Shooter's Choice to clean barrels, but I have never heard anyone mention, let alone rave, about its ability to get any lead out. There are other ways, both chemical and mechanical, to do that.

If someone gets lead out of their barrels in sheets, then they let it go far too long - no doubt to the point where pressure would be abnormally high and accuracy would be abnormally low.
 
The best lead remover....

Plug the bore and fill it with a 50-50 mix of brown-bottle hydrogen peroxide and vinegar. It turns lead into a goop. Leave the bore full until the bubbling stops. For a severe, severe case, I once had to do it twice, for a total of maybe 35 minutes. The lead rinsed out with no scrubbing at all.

Note: Use in a well ventilated area and don't lick your fingers. It's kinda poisonous.
 
The "best lead remover" also can (did) severely pit some barrel steels. You are basically increasing the acidity of vinegar, kinda like pouring acid down your barrel. You are also creating some hazardous waste. Ill advised.
 
woad yurt-a number of years ago someone starting spreading this recipe on the internet. I started counting the number of individuals who ended up with pitted barrels, and stopped counting at ten.
 
I have heard about vinegar pitting as well. I have not experienced myself, but I suspect it is one of two things: either vinegar somehow removes divots (most acids would attack uniformly, but more noticeably on the corners) or the pits were already there are the vinegar/H2O2 actually cleaned the fouling out of the holes. I am leaning toward the latter, but I won't risk my barrels (or my customers') on it. I do not understand how H2O2 would do anything itself to the steel. Maybe I will try it on the next piece of scrap I get.

Something related to where we have gone on this thread (ie general defouling/decop/delead) is the Outers electric unit. I have one of these and it does work well if you use it right. I have used it to rescue a few barrels that seemed like they had enough fouling to be considered for a small bore scattergun. What is interesting about this unit is that the Outers Foulout solution is basically diluted ammonium acetate. We know ammonia does a good job with copper, but the "acetate" is what makes vinegar acidic. The combination of the two in a salt, dissolved in water, becomes a commercial product that removes fouling, but only with an electrical field such as is created by their unit. All this, and no pitting (at least on my firearms). I have been meaning to stop in the next town over and beg for some raw ammonium acetate from the chemical plant where they make it and see if I can save a few nickels over buying the bottles from Midpay.
 
I've just put an old piece of a JC Higgins shotgun barrel in the above solution. I'll let it sit.

Update: After 3 minutes' soak time, there is still no discernible pitting. I'll keep you posted. I wanna know if this stuff eats steel.
 
I have used Kroil for other purposes, but seriously doubt it would remove leading.

Back in the days when I first started casting boolits and knew next to nothing about it, leading of the bore was a frequent problem.

I did learn one thing though, when leading first became apparent, firing several rounds of jacketed bullets did remove the leading.

Much older and now a little wiser about boolit casting, I very, very, seldom have leading problems anymore.
 
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Plug the bore and fill it with a 50-50 mix of brown-bottle hydrogen peroxide and vinegar. It turns lead into a goop. Leave the bore full until the bubbling stops. For a severe, severe case, I once had to do it twice, for a total of maybe 35 minutes. The lead rinsed out with no scrubbing at all.

Note: Use in a well ventilated area and don't lick your fingers. It's kinda poisonous.[/
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The acidity of vinegar is bad enough, but, H2o2 (Hydrogen Peroxide) is an oxidizer. Which in simple terms, means it will greatly increase corrosive rust effect upon ferrous metals. If there is even the slightest difference in the metallurgy structure of steel, H2o2 will vigorously attack the least noble metal first. Also, H2o2 is definitely corrosive on stainless steel.

Another thing to note, due to it's ease of machinability, almost all muzzleloading barrels are made of leaded steel. So, if the formula of vinegar and H2o2 does do a number on lead, applying to a ML barrel could lead to some interesting, but unwanted results.
 
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Interesting input and thanks to all.

I've cut patches from those lead-remover rags and that's worked.

I've also used Kroil and JB - which has worked well. I've used that combo to "resusitate" two nasty milsurp barrels to where they were clean and shiny looking.
 
Kroil is a great product for getting under copper/brass or gilding metal . It will loosen metals when soaked with a wet patch or sometimes pluged and filled for a couple days an with a brush can get copper to come out with a cotton patch but lead ,, never used it for that and have used kroil for 25 years. I will use jb's on a new barrel to help polish the chamber if tight and to smooth a bore but not during the life of the barrel unless the gun is new to me or i screw up a bore.
 
Leave the lead alone. Brass and/or lead in the barrel serve to fill the pits and rough spots better than polishing and don't remove the steel. Clean the carbon and other dirt and lubricate before storing.
 
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