L.A. Columnist Has Nightmare:Guns on Campus from Kinder to College

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I am having a recurring nightmare.

It takes place in a lecture hall at Anywhere State College during an intersting presentation on the history of structual engineering. The only alert person in the class, a straight-A student majoring in engineering, my son, suddenly notices a familiar male entering the room.

He is wearing a hooded sweat shirt because it is cold outside and the wind is blowing, but it makes him look like a convenience store crook. He is also carrying a backpack and begins to reach into it. My son knows him because he is been acting more than a little strange. A week ago he began posting distrubing fatalistic poetry on his web site. My son talked to the school guidance counselor who told him nothing was wrong and to stop prying into his personal life. He has been failing out of school this semster and the pressure put on him by his parents has put him on anti-depressants. He looks like he is now off his meds.

I know, because I am an observer in the nightmare, that the stranger is going for his 12 Guage Remington Pump shotgun that he bought at Walmart yesterday for $350, with two boxes of 1 ounce slugs.

My son, whom everyone knows by the nickname "Guns," is sure that the doorway figure fits the profile of a campus killer and isn't about to sit there and be murdered without a fight. Guns instantly reaches and covers him with his legal .40 Glock. But the shotgun comes out anyway.

The gunfire arouses the instincts of others in the class, and they, similarly, draw their permit-allowed weapons ranging from various sized open and concealed carry handguns. One student throws a flash/stun grenade.

There is chaos as the lecture hall turns into a battleground of crossfire, smoke and explosions, and when the battle stops, the only one dead is the troubled student with the strange poetry.

I fell into the nightmare after reading that many states do not allow people with concealed-weapons permits to carry handguns on the campuses of public universities. The revelation came after the deadly shooting at Northern Illinois University. The prospect has stirred online support and maybe sanity will prevail.

I was so terrified at the notion of keeping guns from responsible young men who are old enough to fight and die in our nation's wars, I had another nightmare.

This time I am taking my grandson to his kindergarten class at the behest of his mother, who has a doctor's appointment. As I am watching him run off happily into the play yard on School Street, I notice that another little boy has dropped his Roy Rogers lunch box.

It is red and yellow and has a picture of Rogers on the front mounted on Trigger, who is rearing. Rogers is waving his cowboy hat in the air the way he used to in all of those exciting 1950s westerns. I am intrigued by the lunch box because most kids today don't even know who Roy Rogers is, or was, much less Trigger, who is stuffed and mounted in a museum in Branson, Mo.

Then something equally significant catches my eye. In addition to the apple, carrot sticks and tofu sandwich that fall from the boy's lunch box, there is a snub-nosed .38-caliber revolver of the type I once carried as a backup weapon.

"What in the World?" I shout, surprised that a child in kindergarden who does not even have the prehensile strength to to pull the trigger of a short barrel revolver, has one. I take it away from the kid before he harms himself or other, and ask where he'd gotten it. His grandfather, who he says, is admantly against guns had it hidden under his bed and had never told anybody it was there. He was playing under the bed and assumed it was a toy and taken it to school. Then the boy's mommy comes by from parking her car and hustles him into the play yard, admonishing him for talking to a stranger -- bad boy.

The gun in the lunch box? That doesn't surprise me because it is within the as it is typical anti-behavior that holds that guns are evil things fit only for them.

Well, sure, even in the nightmare I am a little nervous that children would not grow up knowing more about Smith & Wesson than Abraham Lincoln, but at least they get training in firearms safety and sharp-shooting, learning how to pick off the dangerous classmates without hurting others. I guess John Wilkes Booth had that kind of training too.

But then I begin worrying that the anti-gun grandpa who furnished the snub-nose might come up with an antiquated .30-caliber air-cooled, belt-fed machine gun to mount in the kindergarten yard for all the kids to share. How could they possibly rely on the lethal efficiency of a weapon that was more than a half-century old?

I awoke from the nightmare both pondering the possibilities and comforted of the very notion of kids with guns. But then I finally calmed down, disturbed by the fact that it was only a bad dream and not a reality.

At least not yet.
 
I was so terrified at the notion of giving guns to kids who can't figure out where their next class is that on a night when the rain was falling and the wind blowing, I had another nightmare.

Nobody is giving anybody any damn guns. Why do they keep saying that we're giving kids guns?
 
deep breath folks....

first: its the LA Times...
second: al martinez is a super liberal (he may have been a marine ..so what...look at mccain...)
third: its one of the revolving topics the times pushes...
* more $ for the broken schools
* illegal immigration is good
* the police are bad
* raise taxes
* guns are bad
* gangs are misunderstood..they really are just nice kids who need a hug
* bush is evil
* mexico IS our friend
* shake..repeat and rinse

for those that live in LA...the Times is a great dog trainer!!
 
Mr. Martinez I just read your article and I was left with a question for
you. Do you know that in several states it is already legal for people
who have met the legal requirements to carry a concealed firearm in their
state to carry it on a college campus? I understand having fears about
it, but really there is no reason to turn to our imaginations to figure
out what would happen when we already have a data set that shows us
exactly what does happen in real life.

If the real world data shows us that people can carry concealed weapons
on them as they go about their daily routines, is it logical to believe
they will suddenly behave irresponsibly because they've stepped onto
school grounds? Is it logical to believe this when we have evidence that
it does not happen that way? As dumb and irresponsible as you feel those
college kids are, they're learning the value of supporting their
statements with facts and evidence. I think you could take a lesson from
those students.
 
This is just par for the course for the LA times. The worst part is that there are a ton of people in LA whose only exposure to firearms is the news, movies, or stories they have heard from friends of gang violence or other crimes. In that haze of politically biased information, they will read this article, think he has given an accurate description of what pro-gun folks want, and then pass along to their friends how the NRA supports 8 year olds bringing guns to school. Death by a thousand cuts.
 
Nightmares are an emotional response to what one sees.
That's it.
Just emotion.
Hardly worth writing about, let alone taking action on.
 
Mr. Martinez, wake up, and take a shower. You're living in LA and watched too many movies. This is reality: Inocent stdents and faculty are gun downed at school, and there is know one to help. They have taken all the guns away from the responsible and law abiding citizens.

I bet you think that this is a comedy?:cool:
 
Good grief.

If that was how my mind subconciously processeed the idea of allowing humans the right to protect themselves from being murdered I would be ashamed.

Your name is not Nostrodamus, you are a reporter. Do your damned job and report the facts. If this was an opinion piece, look up the damned facts, THEN form an opinion, then write the piece. We don't care about the absurd premonitions that your crippled mind may come up with.
 
Wow. That entire article was like a train wreck. Where the train derailed, crashed into a orphanage, and then caught on fire. And was then hit by an asteroid. Which also caught on fire.

Someone send him a plane ticket to Utah, with any luck he'll have a coronary.

Of course, am I really supposed to do anything but laugh at a columnist whose journalistic skills are so utterly lacking that he cannot so much as look into whether CCW on campus is already legal before writing his "revelatory" piece on "what will happen if CCW on campus is legal"? Other breaking news: women can vote, the Cold War is over, and new polls indicate that most African-Americans are "not significantly worried" about being lynched by torch-carrying Klansmen on horses.
 
Okay... so, hoodies, carrot sticks, and lunchboxes scare this dude horribly... ;) I bet he wets himself at the thought of celery.

A sensationalist, illogical article. I'm stunned someone allowed its publication. What exactly does he think people should do to defend themselves? Rely on the police? Pray? Submit? Eat a hamburger? (Or a carrot stick.)
 
Al Martinez is more proof that liberals are mentally ill. Only a mentally ill person genuinely believes a gun to be an evil talisman that turns the law abiding into degenerate killers.
 
I have a nughtmare, too.

I have a nightmare that idiots such as this are the most vocal part of our electorate and are succeeding at influencing public policy at the expense of our natural rights. Oh, wait! That's no nightmare. That's reality.

It appalls me that any individual in this nation would entertain such a notion. After all we've seem at school campuses? Come on! I carry a gun every day of every week that I'm not at school. It is utterly incomprehensible that people think that after I cross a magical piece of sidewalk, I'm less able to control my firearm or more prone to violent, impulsive behavior.

The fact that I can't carry at school isn't even what bothers me most. Permit me to explain. I don't have a car, and in order to get to and from college, I must take the public bus. The bus does not go directly from my house to the college, but rather, I walk five blocks to get on the bus both ways. What irks me is the fact that I'm required BY LAW not to have a firearm on my person for self defense on my way to and from school when I have to go through less than desirable parts of town. Why? Because a great deal of politicians would rather pass and enforce feel good legislation in a dastardly effort to quell their constituents' concerns that they are too inept to do anything to combat the crime problem in this country.
 
I was so terrified at the notion of giving guns to kids who can't figure out where their next class is ....

I got a decent laugh out of this bit.. I have to assume that he believes every 18-25 year old "kid" in college is as stupid as he was/is..

He'd be better served pushing for a refund on his 'higher education'.. That poorly written editorial (or whatever it's supposed to be) reads as if written by a 8 year old. A good lawyer shouldn't have much trouble arguing the case.

Wow. That entire article was like a train wreck. Where the train derailed, crashed into a orphanage, and then caught on fire. And was then hit by an asteroid. Which also caught on fire.

That bit reminded me that it's a bad idea to start laughing with a mouth full of milk, it messes up the keyboard a bit. But I thank you for the good laugh. Now to get this darn space bar working properly again :)

Leo
 
Al Martinez
I am having a recurring nightmare.

It takes place in a lecture hall at Anywhere State College during a tedious presentation on the history of video games.


That scared me so bad, I stopped reading right there.
 
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That seems to be an eminently well researched, reasoned, unbiased, thoughtful, and well written piece. The very pinnacle of the journalistic arts -- for the LA Times.

I stopped taking that poor excuse for a weekly shopper years ago. The only reason I'd subscribe again is to be able to drop that fish-wrapper once again when they commit one of their periodic atrocities against journalistic standards and ethics.

I'd never hit my German Sheps with the LaLa Times. A flash of the Editorial Section is enough to scare them.
 
It is basically the same right that had been granted earlier to college students.
Anyone else see the mistake here? Rights are not granted, privileges are. Rights are already naturally present.
 
Here's the message I sent them.
I have to thank you for the Al Martinez piece, "Guns on campus -- a nightmare now, a real nightmare later". It was _hilarious._
Gun control advocates seldom let reality allay their fears. The Department of Justice found that there are 1.5 million Defensive Use of Guns each year (Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms-May 1997).
His doomsday scenario of victims shooting other victims as they try to stop the perpetrator should, therefore, be common. It is, in fact, exceedingly rare. It turns out law abiding citizens are extremely hesitant to shoot another human being, even when it is justified.
As to Martinez' second dream, due to today's political climate, it is doubtful children in the future will ever be permitted to take firearms to school. What he forgets is in decades past, boys frequently took their rifles to school for show and tell or to pick off the odd squirrel on the way home. For every child killed in a firearms accident, over 66 die by other accidental means (National Safety Council, Injury Facts, 2001 Edition, pp. 8-9, 84).
School shootings back then were unheard of. The reason they are targeted now is because killers know our schools are "gun free zones" where they are least likely to encounter any resistance. Until lawful citizens are allowed their right to self defense with firearms, I will think of them, sadly, as "killing zones".
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Oh why, oh why do I still live in Los Angeles county and read the LA Times?:( Anyone in a free state want to adopt/marry me? I have A LOT of guns:) This guy has been spouting off this stuff for years. I wonder what backup snub he packed in Korea?

There was also some stupid article a few days back I almost responded to, someone in charge in CA with something to do with national/state forests was claiming how visitors don't need guns, the rangers will protect them!

Why and how anti-gunners get these insane ideas I'll never understand. And school carry seems to work for Israeli teachers and fieldtrips.
 
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