Last men that survived the Civil War

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BOOSS...Hope you're joking but you sound like you have an attitude problem. Not the type of thing you would expect on this forum.
 
Everytime I think about the civil war it makes me sad that the valid issue of state's rights had to come to bear on the horrific issue of human slavery.
 
After seeing the postings by BOOS, it is safe to say the war might still be going on in some parts of the country. When my wife and I went on our driving trip back East we stopped at Shiloh Battlefield and afterwards stopped a couple of miles down the road for refreshments. There were several guys sitting at the bar and when we came in they all turned around and looked at us and our car sitting outside. One said "You alls from Idaho I see. So you must be Northerners! So what did you do growing up in Idaho for entertainment?" I told him we hunted deer and went to school dances" and ask them "what they did while growing up at Shiloh"? He smiled and little bit and said "We used to go up there to that cemetary and dig up them Union boys"! I ask him if he was joking and he looked at me with a straight face and said "What else was there to do?" We left shortly after that and my wife said "Did you see the look on that older guys face, the one with no teeth"? "Yea, straight out of Deliverance wasn't it"? That incident stayed with us the whole trip to New York and back.
 
I do get it Scrat. I just disagree with your conclusion. No need for attack. It is about truth. I just don’t see one NYT article as being the end all of the conversation. Even in your own post you list:

William Lundy (January 18, 1848?-September 1, 1957) of Alabama/Florida.

Even he would have lived longer than Woolson, but you still say Woolson is the oldest. Perhaps you posted something to refute that, I didn’t see it. Your sole "evidence" about Walter Williams is some New York Times smear-atorial. You seek to slander the gentleman from the South based on that article. Southern records were often not kept so well, particularly after the war. Perhaps neither is the oldest. Perhaps you will claim to be the oldest. (joking, don’t be up tight) Perhaps we will never know. I am only attempting to present the side of the coin that you choose to ignore.
Water-man, my apologies if I have offended you in some way. I guess my "attitude" is due to an attack on a man that history has honored. A man who is not here to defend himself. One who was paid homage by some of America’s greatest men and institutions. I have the utmost respect for Scrat's opines almost anywhere else on the board. We have one issue. Don't make to much of that. Perhaps in the end, we can only agree to disagree. I respect both your opinions, I just disagree. All research I have seen shows Williams’ birth year to be 1842. I’m not sure what “evidence” the Times reported, but they have a long up hill march to overcome all the others who found Williams to be authentic. That is the only point I am making.
Indeed, my opinion may be biased. But I did have ancestors who fought on both sides. I do tend to hold in highest esteem those gallant men in gray while making no disrespect for those who fought for the north. I have seen both sides of the argument. Perhaps you can show the same respect for my opinion as I will for yours, even if you disagree.
I make no apology for not going along with revisionist history. At least not based on the New York Times.
 
elbert

You should have driven an orange Dodge.

Never made sense to me. The General lee is an Orange Dodge what Charger. When General Lee rhode a White Mustang. hmmm maybe Ford should come out with the General Lee.

We used to go up there to that cemetary and dig up them Union boys"!
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Being from california southern if it makes a difference. If they would have said that to me. I woulda said no shiiiiiiiieeeeet. Thats so cool i wanna do it.
 
Good lord the north vs south will never end ...sure would like to live to see it end ....It might... my kids grew up in the south and have no hard feeling about people in general at all ...they don`t even see color or feel where someone is from as a factor in people ..they only see good and bad in people ..refreshing to my old mind .
 
I do get it Scrat. I just disagree with your conclusion. No need for attack. It is about truth. I just don’t see one NYT article as being the end all of the conversation. Even in your own post you list:

William Lundy (January 18, 1848?-September 1, 1957) of Alabama/Florida.

Even he would have lived longer than Woolson, but you still say Woolson is the oldest. Perhaps you posted something to refute that, I didn’t see it. Your sole "evidence" about Walter Williams is some New York Times smear-atorial. You seek to slander the gentleman from the South based on that article. Southern records were often not kept so well, particularly after the war. Perhaps neither is the oldest. Perhaps you will claim to be the oldest. (joking, don’t be up tight) Perhaps we will never know. I am only attempting to present the side of the coin that you choose to ignore.
Water-man, my apologies if I have offended you in some way. I guess my "attitude" is due to an attack on a man that history has honored. A man who is not here to defend himself. One who was paid homage by some of America’s greatest men and institutions.
I have the utmost respect for Scrat's opines almost anywhere else on the board. We have one issue. Don't make to much of that. Perhaps in the end, we can only agree to disagree. I respect both your opinions, I just disagree. All research I have seen shows Williams’ birth year to be 1842. I’m not sure what “evidence” the Times reported, but they have a long up hill march to overcome all the others who found Williams to be authentic. That is the only point I am making.
Indeed, my opinion may be biased. But I did have ancestors who fought on both sides. I do tend to hold in highest esteem those gallant men in gray while making no disrespect for those who fought for the north. I have seen both sides of the argument. Perhaps you can show the same respect for my opinion as I will for yours, even if you disagree.
I make no apology for not going along with revisionist history. At least not based on the New York Times.
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Oh i get it. Problem is now your discrediting Pleasant Crumps. Well it takes a long time to do the reasearch on this a long time. i have been attempting to locate relatives of Pleasant crumps. so far i have followed some old paths that have left me to no where. i know the name of a great granddaughter of Pleasant Crumps. I had an old email address that i found out wasnt valid. I guess i can also ad Walter Williams to my list. As for Albert Woolson that one i am leaving alone i have found other photos of him. They are on my other computer but records again still confirm that he is the last of the union army to have fought and used the guns that we use today. So its going to take a while. Lets keep this post alive but on the positive side so it doesnt get locked. Its pretty cool to research this stuff it just takes a long time.
 
Scrat, no reason for a locked thread unless the admins are highly sensitive. And you know I said nothing to discredit Crumps, so I will overlook that. Only free thought going on here. No name calling, save my disrespect for the NYT, but they have no dog in the fight here. I'm just a fellow researcher and applaud what you have done. (again, even if we disagree) We have kept the topic lively, yet respectful. Please post up all the pictures you find! The actual photographs, especially during the war, add so much insight into our Great War.

Sundance44s, don't wish this wonderful history into oblivion. If the wounds are still a little fresh after only 143 years, then history is remembered. We could all bury our heads in our TV's and Ipods and forget it, but would we really be better off? I think it's somewhat amusing that South and North cannot even agree on what to call the war, much less particular battles. But with the institutions of learning today, it may all be for naught.

Scrat has come to his opinion from research, hard, deep research, it would appear. Keep up the research and the free thought. It is what makes Southerners and Northerners, "Americans!"
 
Scrat, I have a confession to make. When those Rebs were telling me about digging up the Union Boys, I was thinking about getting even and telling them about my excavation experience when I was sixteen. I and two other boys had been listening to 96 year old Bill at the local watering hole talk about burying old Shady at the turn of the century. He had moved from Virginia to homestead out here and hadn't come into town for about 3 weeks to get supplies. They knew he had been suffering from venereal disease from the local cat house so they were concerned about him. They found him out there in the cabin and had been dead about 2 weeks in July. Bill said they rolled him in a blanket and buried him under the old Pine tree on the back side of the Johnson 40. One Sunday we grabbed the pick and shovels and headed out to the pine scab patch on the back 40 and found the sunken spot. We dug till dark and after 6 feet give up and 20 years later that story popped up at a little get together of friends and one guy said he and his friend had dug at that site 2 years earlier and brought him home in a gunny sack. I look back on it with no pride but am very happy we weren't succesful in our endeavours. We were just bored and looking for something to do. Kind of like throwing a lariat around the crapper and dragging it down mainstreet on Halloween nite or lighting a paper bag full of cow manure on the English teachers front porch, ringing the door bell, and watching her stomp out the fire out. Or my favorite, putting axle grease on the rope and watching the principal fall on his butt when he pulled it to ring the school bell. Those were the days when innocent fun was had but sometimes you got and deserved a good hard smack on the rear with the wooden paddle. Too bad you can't use that paddle today on some of these young inverts that wear their pants around their kneecaps and their hats sideways.
 
Sorry about that , but I forgot to interject the black powder part of the story. When ole Bill and the boys from town found Oscar Shady, he had used a black powder side by side 12 guage scatter gun to put him self out of misery. He evidently lost his head over the whole deal. Ole Bill's great grandson has still got that external hammered shotgun. It's looks almost like a coachgun that Shady or somebody else cut down. But anyway, thats the end of my story.
 
No, no, Elbert P . Suggins, I find your story and info great. I was referring to the North/South arguing, and even then I was kinda kidding. I've been "shut down" a few times while discussing an off-topic topic and this was my tongue in cheek juvenile attempt at revenge.
 
Oh thats okay, Pohill, I didn't take it wrong anyway. I also thought Booss was gettin alittle edgy, I was just trying to lighten things up a bit with a true story that some people have a hard time believing. I got to thinking that Shady could have also been a Civil War veteran. But if he come out here in 1898 which I know was fact than he would have to have been born in at least 1845 which he would have homesteaded here when he was 53 years old. At that age he probably would have just stayed in Virginia. Most homesteaders out here were under forty. And old Bill said that when Shady would ride into town once a week he would visit The Jade Lantern, house of questionable females, every time. That's a bit much for a middle aged dirt farmer and he died in 1903. There were a couple of things we found in that grave that were left behind and that was a coffee can with long red hair and pieces of bone in it. And also his leather lace up shoes with bones rattling around in them and also leather suspender ends. This was evidently what was left after the "Black Powder" shot gun blast which sent him to a better life. You know, we did some crazy things when we were young and growing up and I'll put this one at the top of my list. I guess I can all blame it on the fact when you live on a dead end road and nothings goin on you just do some weird things to keep yourself entertained besides goin hunting and attending dances.
 
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