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Glad I followed this thread, good information here.
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Last question: What's the COAL for 125 gr. Golden Saber for .357 Mag.
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I guess I do not understand what the issue is? You seat them to the length of factory loads (or whatever you like) and roll crimp them. Even without a cannelure your roll crimp will indent the bullet and make one. Load a dummy round, crimp it and then pull the pull out. You will see the groove. Folks using plated bullets have more of a problem as to much of a roll crimp will crack the plating. You do not need much indent to hold it, How much more than 1200fps do you need??
FMJ or HPJ (as Rem calls it) have been loaded for many years.
FMJ or HPJ (as Rem calls it) have been loaded for many years.
IWAC
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A couple of months late to this, but what I do is this:
First, the Golden Saber is a two-diameter bullet. The front is said to ride along the tops of the rifling, and the rear portion is the standard .357 diameter. There is a radiused step between the two diameters. I seat the bullet so the case mouth covers the rear diameter+ just enough to roll crimp the mouth over the radius. Seems to work fine.
First, the Golden Saber is a two-diameter bullet. The front is said to ride along the tops of the rifling, and the rear portion is the standard .357 diameter. There is a radiused step between the two diameters. I seat the bullet so the case mouth covers the rear diameter+ just enough to roll crimp the mouth over the radius. Seems to work fine.
TimSr
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The problem is, Remington Golden Saber revolver bullets don't have a crimp cannulure.
I noticed in the Midway ad they are calling it a "38 special" bullet. Made me think it was because of no cannelure. Then I see factory .357 loads taper crimped, and I'm really stumped as to the whys. The whole design does not make logical sense to me for a handloader doing loads for revolvers.
I noticed in the Midway ad they are calling it a "38 special" bullet. Made me think it was because of no cannelure. Then I see factory .357 loads taper crimped, and I'm really stumped as to the whys. The whole design does not make logical sense to me for a handloader doing loads for revolvers.
moxie
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Per posts 12 and 25, the .38 bullets have a different construction than the .357 bullets. Deeper hollowpoint and different striations. Each optimized for different velocities.
gamestalker
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Considering you are going to be using full tilt powders, it is absolutely essential to roll crimp into the canelure. That said, the OAL will be determined by the canelure, therefore measuring the OAL is of no importance what so ever. In other words, just roll crimp into the canelure.
If you were using a bullet without a canelure, thus unable to use an effective crimp, those bullets would only be usable with a target load, other wise you would be experiencing a locked up wheel gun real quick and in a hurry with magnum powders such as H110 / 296. I've had bullets jump the crimp and lock my revolver up with H110 / 296, just from not using an aggressive enough roll crimp. So I can say with certainty you would experience problems without a canelure to roll crimp into.
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If you were using a bullet without a canelure, thus unable to use an effective crimp, those bullets would only be usable with a target load, other wise you would be experiencing a locked up wheel gun real quick and in a hurry with magnum powders such as H110 / 296. I've had bullets jump the crimp and lock my revolver up with H110 / 296, just from not using an aggressive enough roll crimp. So I can say with certainty you would experience problems without a canelure to roll crimp into.
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