jon_in_wv: That's why you go for velocity AND penetration....hence, the hotter-loaded Euro ammo....
Thats my point. I prefer a flat point bullet like a LFP over FMJ and I think in most cases the hydrashok is going to behave just like that and its got pretty good velocity. I just don't see the wisdom in advocating SLOW fmjs just because they penetrate well in gel. I'll take a hotter round with either limited or no expansion. I'm not a fan of round FMJs for defense in any caliber. I would like the WWB if Winchester wouldn't load it to such a low velocity.