boalex207
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read reports of "numerous" LE agencies pulling their GLOCKs and instead issuing Smith & Wesson M&P pistols.
Anybody know who any of these departments are ?
Anybody know who any of these departments are ?
LE agencies leaving GLOCK for M & P....
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biscuitninja
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I've seen that alot over here in Southern CA. Is there any reason why? Could the Glocks be getting long in the tooth? (Not that there would be anything wrong with with at all...).
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Constantine-p89
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I think it would be a mistake to leave Glock or Sig.
Sorry, but specific designs are not normally chosen because anybody at the agency thinks they are the Ultimate Combat Handgun. There is usually a selection process where certain desired features are spec'd out, vendors provide guns to test, then the lowest bidder meeting said specs is chosen.
Well, in a world where image is becoming increasingly important, I imagine police departments are deciding that they cannot have officers carrying around such an ugly gun. I imagine that is also why I'm starting to see Crown Vics being phased out and more Chargers used as patrol cars.
Sounds like what you hear at the local gunshop when he makes a few more bucks selling M&Ps...."all the cops are switchig"
I get SWHC news all the time being a shareholder (unfortunatly) and they really like to let you know when a LE switches...its just not very often...
Still see most with Glocks around me. Im guessing its strictly a # game. Money rules.
I always confused as to why people care what cops carry when deciding to buy a pistol..
I get SWHC news all the time being a shareholder (unfortunatly) and they really like to let you know when a LE switches...its just not very often...
Still see most with Glocks around me. Im guessing its strictly a # game. Money rules.
I always confused as to why people care what cops carry when deciding to buy a pistol..
weisse52
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Best quote, and sadly true!
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It's not ALWAYS true. My department does have a lot of shortfalls but we did drop the Beretta 92 a few years ago and went to the HK USP.
Sure most people's scores dropped but......
Sure most people's scores dropped but......
ABBOBERG
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Well, be confused no more! Over the years at THR I have observed that most posters use their weapons as range guns. This includes the tiniest mouse guns bought with the intentions of "concealed carry". These guns have often demonstrated "hundreds of rounds without failure" etc., etc.
The people at THR that most often seem to deploy their weapons for defense and actually fire some rounds at the BG are the cops. The rest of us non-cops need to hear from the professionals on weapons of choice to know about street experience with these weapons.
PirateRadio
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I heard it was because Ford is no longer offering Crown Vics to LE agencies because they are tired of getting sued. Can't confirm this but it's what a firefighting buddy of mine told me.
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S&W is a marketing machine, when was the last time you seen a Glock commercial on the Outdoors Channel? Or better yet, when was the last time you seen Glock as a sponsor to a major shooting event or shooting related Outdoors Show (GSSF aside)? S&W is sponsoring everything and offering awesome rebates to push their wares, who cannot see that S&W is wanting to top Glock on market share?
phantomak47
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LAPD had a lot of problems with Glock, I forgot where the story is exactly but Glock came in 3 times trying to fix their Glock 21s and LAPD just gave up on them. I am not a Glock hater, I like them, but in only certain calibers.
http://cbs2.com/local/Glock.21.Los.2.511028.html
I hope this is a joke. It sure reads like one.
Aesthetics have nothing to do with purchasing decisions. Performance and bottom line do. Rarely is it one of them alone, it is almost always a case of "we have $500 to spend per officer, which gun is the best at that price point or under" or something similar.
M&P is making inroads on the Glock market because it offers something Glock doesn't; interchangable backstraps, so officers with huuuuge handa and officers with teeny tiny hands can use the same gun effectively. Add in the fact that the gun performs well in tests of reliability and S&W is offering huge (Glock-style, actually) incentives for agencies to switch, and it really is a no-brainer for the beancounters as well as the armorers.
And the Charger is making inroads in the LE fleet business because they perform better (speed, accell, handling, gas mileage) and cost less than Crown Vics. The Panther platform (AKA "Crown Victoria") is alive and well as a fleet vehicle. It's strongest asset is its paleolithic nature; the platform is almost unchanged mechanically for, what, 20 years? There is an immense supply of parts and institutional knowledge in most fleet facilities with regards to the Crown Vic. Our joke is that if you gave our grease monkies a frame and blindfolds they could build a cruiser from spare parts in inventory.
Might take 'em a month, but they could.
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CountGlockula
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The backstraps would be a good reason to go for an Hk then!!!
Anyways...more Glocks for me!!!
Anyways...more Glocks for me!!!
Glock Price
When I purchased my first GLOCK, it sold for $300.00 through a private purchase program for my agency. They were very popular.
Now GLOCKS are selling for a lot more than that, even at police pricing and I have seen SMITH&WESSON Sigma's going for About $310.00. The M&P probably sells for a similar price as the GLOCK or less.
I am willing to bet that the current dollar-euro exchange rate has a lot to do with the popularity of the M&P. I would bet that SMITH&WESSON could undercut GLOCK by $30.00 to 40.00 a gun. That is a lot of money when you buy 1000 guns at a time.
I don't doubt it is a good gun, but if you can get it at or below the price of a GLOCK, you would have a hard time explaining why YOU DID NOT BUY IT.
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Jim
When I purchased my first GLOCK, it sold for $300.00 through a private purchase program for my agency. They were very popular.
Now GLOCKS are selling for a lot more than that, even at police pricing and I have seen SMITH&WESSON Sigma's going for About $310.00. The M&P probably sells for a similar price as the GLOCK or less.
I am willing to bet that the current dollar-euro exchange rate has a lot to do with the popularity of the M&P. I would bet that SMITH&WESSON could undercut GLOCK by $30.00 to 40.00 a gun. That is a lot of money when you buy 1000 guns at a time.
I don't doubt it is a good gun, but if you can get it at or below the price of a GLOCK, you would have a hard time explaining why YOU DID NOT BUY IT.
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Jim
Cops in my neck of the woods are split about 50-50 between glock 17/22 and sig 220/226/229.Sorry, but specific designs are not normally chosen because anybody at the agency thinks they are the Ultimate Combat Handgun......
Most accurate info here. I've helped test guns for adoption by an agency. The agency sets up it's criteria, tests guns submitted by manufacturers and usually (note usually) the least expensive gun passing the test is adopted. Many times the gun that is adopted doesn't work out for various reasons.
read reports of "numerous" LE agencies pulling their GLOCKs and instead issuing Smith & Wesson M&P pistols.
If the "numerous" agencies are 30-50 man police departments (nothing wrong with that but it takes a lot of them to buy a lot of guns) this wouldn't be a trend setter. If it's agencies like Customs and Border Protection (uses 30,000 handguns or more), ICE (probably 20,000 or more), or some other large agency that could be construed as a trendsetter.
Most accurate info here. I've helped test guns for adoption by an agency. The agency sets up it's criteria, tests guns submitted by manufacturers and usually (note usually) the least expensive gun passing the test is adopted. Many times the gun that is adopted doesn't work out for various reasons.
read reports of "numerous" LE agencies pulling their GLOCKs and instead issuing Smith & Wesson M&P pistols.
If the "numerous" agencies are 30-50 man police departments (nothing wrong with that but it takes a lot of them to buy a lot of guns) this wouldn't be a trend setter. If it's agencies like Customs and Border Protection (uses 30,000 handguns or more), ICE (probably 20,000 or more), or some other large agency that could be construed as a trendsetter.
DENALI
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As to LA LE turning away from the G-21 because of AD's and ND's I would not be the least bit surprised that it's because there to big for there LEO's to safely handle under stress. The 21 makes a great 10mm but a lousy platform for a duty .45. I also wouldn't be surprised to hear that Glock's are still well regarded by LA's finest, just in a more sensible package like the 23-22. How about it LA LEO's, I for one would like to hear your thought's on this!
351 WINCHESTER
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With the value of the dollar on the decline it's probably cheaper to buy s & w. It's usually about the bottom line. Having never fired a glock or a s & w mp I cannot say which one is better. I'm sure they both have their strong and weak points like anything else. It's usually about money.
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