LE using their status as LE to support Anti-gun agendas...

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I would like to create a thread in which we keep track of LE agencies that use their status as LE agencies to support anti-gun agendas throughout our nation. Basically I would like to collect links, pictures, and advertisements of LE using their status as LE to further an anti-gun agenda.

I would also like to see a thread in which we have the pro-gun agenda being furthered by LE using their status as LE to do so.

Link to Pro-gun thread.
 
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Here is my first contribution...

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This is Rockford IL police department using its status as an LEA to furhter demonize guns. The advertisement makes it sound as having a gun in the home is a bad thing and something one must be concerned about. And by drawing kids into the argument, they are suggesting that it is unsafe for a child to simply be in a home where guns are present.
 
Sign supports the idea of mandatory gun safety classes in all public schools.
To bad it isn't so.
 
not exactly. the signs organization MAY support gun safety classes, but what the sign SAYS has nothing to do with safety classes, but DOES in fact do what tecumseh said it does, " demonize guns" and "make it sound as though having a gun in the home is a bad thing".
 
So there are 5,000 kids in Rockford, Illinois, whose parents are concerned about protecting them. Why don't the parents of the other kids care about their children?
 
Sheriff LASD Lee Baca & LAPD Chief Bratton are two major LE Who use their office to support anti gun agenda's. I'd guess most California L are the same. Unfortunately there are few LE likw Mike Corona of Orange County who support Pro Gun Causes and he may not be sheriff much longer.
 
Sign supports the idea of mandatory gun safety classes in all public schools.

Will they be taught by NRA certified instructors? Or, will HCI/Brady be providing pamphlets and buttons.

Unless there is a live fire portion, my kids will be off that day.

Hey, Tecumseh--that's the Chief of Police for Rockford on the billboard, right? Lets drop him a note and ask him if that total includes all of his officers' kids as well. He must WANT to have his city compete with Chi in ALL facets regardless of logic.
 
While I think it's good to document these, I also believe we must keep perspective.

As a general rule, except for prison states such as CA and NJ, the rank and file police widely support RKBA. This has been borne out in survey after survey.

The police who don't are the political appointees, who are beholden to their political masters, like the hapless guys in the picture above.

The key, therefore, is to keep their political masters under our thumbs.
 
The police who don't are the political appointees, who are beholden to their political masters, like the hapless guys in the picture above.
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I wouldn't be so sure of the sweeping support among the rank and file. I've known more than a few nonpolitical appointees who did not 1) believe in the RKBA, 2) believe in civilians owning firearms, 3) believe in civilians carrying weapons, or 4) some combination of the above.
 
I wouldn't be so sure of the sweeping support among the rank and file. I've known more than a few nonpolitical appointees who did not 1) believe in the RKBA, 2) believe in civilians owning firearms, 3) believe in civilians carrying weapons, or 4) some combination of the above.
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Yup, some are elitist by profession...
 
+1 to Roma
Here in Topeka, Ks it was the Police Chief who was the leading Anti to the CCW bill. He told the govenor that it would create vigilanty justice.
 
I wouldn't be so sure of the sweeping support among the rank and file. I've known more than a few nonpolitical appointees who did not 1) believe in the RKBA, 2) believe in civilians owning firearms, 3) believe in civilians carrying weapons, or 4) some combination of the above.
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I know at least one cop that fervently believes no "civilians" should be allowed to own any sort of firearm and has been thrown out of a local firing range for harassing folks while he was out shooting. All the usual arguments including the definition of the word "civilian" and that he is one too is lost on him. Luckily he is is the minority and largely ignored by the other cops when he brings it up.
 
>>>All the usual arguments including the definition of the word "civilian" and that he is one too is lost on him.<<<

Civilian = Anyone who is not in the MILITARY.

Not Police. Not "LE". Not Paramedics. Not Politicians. THE MILITARY.
 
Hate to break it to you guys, but the divide is there.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/civilian

Main Entry:
ci·vil·ian Listen to the pronunciation of civilian
Pronunciation:
\sə-ˈvil-yən also -ˈvi-yən\
Function:
noun
Date:
14th century

1: a specialist in Roman or modern civil law
2 a: one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force
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As a civilian, I think cops and firefighters ought to be civilians, and it should be military only. Regardless, the dictionary is the dictionary. What bothers me, is I wonder if they haven't changed the definition over time. I do not think firefighters were in that list the last time I looked a few years ago.
 
>>>Hate to break it to you guys, but the divide is there<<<

Your 30 seconds of online q&a BS to get the answer you would like to see dosen't cut it. You really dug deep on a fact finding mission there didn't you?
 
Log,

I posted the definition. While I would like for what you said in post 15 to be true, it isn't. Get over it, and don't whine when you are wrong.
 
You could also add "MacNamara" (not sure of the exact spelling), a California police chief who was Feinstein's own personal flying monkey leading up to the AWB; he didn't appear ANYWHERE to speak on it without being in full uniform, and claiming to speak for all police, everywhere.

Googled it; Joseph McNamara, a weasel of the highest order. This is ALSO the guy that suspended one of his officers (Leroy Pyle) when that officer chose to speak against the California AWB, saying that he didn't want police officers to take a political stance on the issue.
 
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>>>I posted the definition<<< Therefore it must be true....

Once again you posted a definition off of an internet search! You are missing the point entirely. Internet research is bogus. Hang out at wikipedia much? Submit many articles there do you?

You are missing the point entirely of my initial post regarding people outside the military thinking they are not "civilians". Post a few more incorrect internet links regarding this if it makes you feel better. Why don't you ask any current serving person in the military if they agree with you or your little internet "findings".

Do you get all of your reloading data off the internet too?
 
Log,

Not everything on the net is wrong and can be dismissed out of hand.

But go right ahead, ignore websters online dictionary. If it does not say what you believe it should say, it must be faulty.

dictionary.com is also probably another wikipedia website, with faulty information.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/civilian

ci·vil·ian /sɪˈvɪlyən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[si-vil-yuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a person who is not on active duty with a military, naval, police, or fire fighting organization.
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Well, it disagrees with you Log. So, therefore, it must be wrong. I know the following will fall on deaf ears, but we are talking about the DEFINITION of a word. The dictionary is the place to look for a definition.
 
Logistics said;
Once again you posted a definition off of an internet search!
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From the American Heritage Dictionary, Second College Edition pp 277:

ci-vil-ian (si-vil'yan) n. 1. A person following the pursuits of civil life as distinguished from one serving in a police, firefighting, or military force. 2. A student of or specialist in Roman or civil law. --adj. Of or pertaining to civilians or civil life; nonmilitary.
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Why don't you ask any current serving person in the military if they agree with you or your little internet "findings".
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I served in the US Army from 6 December 1974 to 1 November 2003. A few days short of 28 years and 11 months. I agree with the definition and I don't know of anyone I served with or who is currently on active duty who disagrees with it.

That is the established, accepted definition of civilian and we aren't going to waste anymore bandwidth discussing it. Get back on topic.

Jeff
 
One of the worst examples is LEOs laying out firearms for the press. I was just watching Gangland on the History Channel about an ATF agent going undercover in the Hells Angels. One LEO showed several weapons alegedly taken from Hells Angels and then shows a FN5.7 pistol saying that is the weapon of choice for them because it defeats most body armor.

If that pistol was not from his own collection or a department gun I'll eat my harddrive.
 
"Over 5000 kids in Rockford live in homes with guns".

Such an insane sweeping generalization put up on a billboard that has no way of being confirmed or denied. If anyones driven through my hometown or Loves Park there is more of a chance being that there are more houses with crackpipes or drugs in them. THOSE are illegal. Last I heard firearms wern't.

Does anyone actually know who the officer was? Was it the police chief as previously mentioned?

Any help would be appriciated as this is a local issue for me and several others here.

~L
 
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