%^$#@ Lead fouling

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I took out the Taurus 83 (.38spl, 4" revolver) the other day for a little range session with the wife. We ended up only putting 50 rounds through this particular gun.

I've been shooting lead bullets through it lately because I got a few boxes of it for free and now the fouling in it is of epic proportions.

The cleaning session this morning lasted nearly 45 minutes and I'm still not happy with what the bore looks like. I've been using Shoooter's Choice on it, a bronze brush, Tipton jags and a Patch Worm to boot.

Suggestions?
 
You haven't specified what load you use.

Factory ammo? Handloads?

Sounds to me like you're pushing the bullets faster than you should.

Hardcast bullets at moderate velocities typically create little or no leading problems.

I'd start with the ammo selection.
 
It was factory ammo, 158g LRN. Could it be that heavy bullet causing it?
 
It was factory ammo, 158g LRN. Could it be that heavy bullet causing it?

Ya, it could. Factory ammunition is loaded with soft lead bullets (as opposed to the harder kind handloaders use). If the stuff is old the lubricant may have dried out too.

You can buy a special cloth called "lead away" with several brands being available. It's treated to take out lead, and it does so fairly quickly with the application of elbow grease and a tight patch (cut from the cloth). Solvents work but you need to leave them in the gun to soak - best overnight.

Also try Brownell's "J-B Bore Cleaning Compound," which is a fine abrasive that will take out lead, but not hurt the barrel. (www.brownells.com).
 
Lee Alox

I 've used Lee Alox to lub my lead bullets and get no leading... also use it for my 50cal round balls, and have shot over 20 rounds thru it without having to clean the barrel
 
I had two moderately leaded bores that I ran a little experiment on.

On one, I used a lead away cloth cut into squares, and wrapped around a bore brush. On the other, I used Remington Bore Cleaner.

The Remington Bore Cleaner worked about twice as fast. I have never used this stuff before. I bought it about 5-6 years ago, and it has sit in my gun cleaning box the whole time. Now maybe it gets better with age or something, but the lead away cloth has always been much faster than other methods, but not this time.

Stinger
 
I shoot literally thousands of lead bullets a year. Get a set of vaccuum line caps at any autoparts store. These make excellent plugs for the barrel. Plug the barrel, stand the gun straight up in the sink, and pour a 50-50 mixture of white vinegar and Hydrogen peroxide (available at any pharmacy) down the bore. Don't get any on the finish.

In a minute or so a gray scum will form. That's the lead. Pour it straight down the sink. Dry and lube as normal.
 
A commercial product that I've used with great results is Shooter's Choice Lead Remover. Used as directed it takes care of light-to moderate lead deposits in pretty short order. Much faster than most of the "general use" solvent products that I've tried.

Another option for heavier stuff is Kroil. Given time to do its stuff, it'll get under the worst of it and loosen it to where a brush will peel it out.

A mechanical gadget that I've used with good result is the old Lewis Lead Remover. Don't know whether it's still in production, but Hoppe's makes an essentially identical item. It's caliber-specific, and takes more time and effort than the Shooter's Choice solvent on light-to-moderate stuff, but will save time on really heavy deposits.

One caveat on the lead remover cloths of whatever make: be extremely careful of where you rub them on blued finishes. They will damage or remove it. FWIW, I confine my own use of them to SS, where they're first-rate for cleaning the depositis and burn marks from the cylinder face.

The only experiences where I've gotten what I would consider even moderate leading with factory .38 Spl. loads were all with swaged 158 gr. HP "+P" cartridges. This was back when reliable JHPs were almost non-existent in any caliber and revolvers were still riding in virtually every LEO's holster. IIRC, it took a lot more than a box of them to get any of my weapons to that point. Most of the crud came from powder and lube fouling.

Without actually examining your weapon, it's pretty much impossible to tell whether there might be some mechanical issue contributing to the problem. There are a lot of theoretical possibilities, most related to tolerances in the bore, cylinder throats, forcing cone and/or the finishing thereof. If an examination by a knowledgable 'smith reveals a "rough" finish or over/under sized condition in the bore, throats or forcing cone, Taurus has a lifetime warranty and a reputation for honoring it.
 
What factory? Name brand like Winchester or Remington? Or something like "American Ammo"?

It might have been MagTech. I won some of it as a door prize at the annual sale at the local range/shop that I belong to.

I would have thought that 158gr lead bullets would be the ideal load in .38spl.

I don't shoot this gun too much (maybe 200-300 rounds a year), having put it in duty as the bump-in-the-night gun because it's pretty much stupid proof.
 
Just do what all the older revolver shooters did...... Buy a Lewis Lead Remover kit from Brownell's.

This is a special tool that completely, safely, and quickly removes leading from bores and chambers.
It also is about the only way to really clean off the forcing cone at the rear of the barrel.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=21587&title=LEWIS+LEAD+REMOVER

There are many ways to clean lead out. The Lewis is one of the few that doesn't risk damaging an expensive gun.

For fouled chambers, I recommend bronze chamber brushes. While the Lewis also cleans the chambers, these special chamber brushes are faster.
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/st...287&title=BRONZE+RIFLE/PISTOL+CHAMBER+BRUSHES

The Lewis kit has been in use for at least 50 years, does a great job fast, and hasn't damaged a gun yet.
There's no reason to be using possibly damaging chemicals or using expedient methods to remove leading and risk damage to a delicate and expensive bore.
 
I use Chore Boy copper scouring pads. Cut a piece off, wrap it around a nylon brush and it peels away the lead. Works like a charm and is harmless and cheap.
 
Vern Humphrey has mentioned the easiest cheapest method of cleaning out lead. I have used it from time to time to clean a really fouled bore.
I am curious how many times you have used this on the same firearm and if it caused any problems with the bore, or any pitting. You are makeing paracetic acid, and the grey scum is lead acetate. This method really works quickly, but i worry about damaging the steel barrels of my pistols, one story I read said that a gentleman damaged his CZ barrel by leaving the solution in for half an hour, it caused red corrosion and pits in the barrel !!

I also shoot a few thousend lead bullets a year through various pistols and revolvers. My method starts with using the right powder and keeping the velocity down below 950 fps. I use good cast bullets. I have started using hoppes elite cleaner, and I have used all of the products mentioned here. The Hoppes Elite which is relabed Mpro7 by Panteon Chemical. is the best and it doesent have any volatile toxic solvents. A good swab, with it let sit and use the bronze brush wrapped with choreboy and the lead comes out in strips.


Usually when a gun is new it will foul more until a few hundred rounds have smoothed out any machining marks or burrrs in the rifling. Sometimes firing a couple hundred jacketed rounds will help.
 
This method really works quickly, but i worry about damaging the steel barrels of my pistols, one story I read said that a gentleman damaged his CZ barrel by leaving the solution in for half an hour, it caused red corrosion and pits in the barrel !!

I've used it hundreds of times in the same barrel. The key is pour it out as soon as the scum forms, then dry and oil the bore.
 
I like the Chore Boy trick. Works better than the Lewis Lead Remover, and I have had one around for years.

Some guns lead more than others with the same load. Lots of variables involved.
 
Ditto on the Chore Boy. I have a model 66 taurus .357 that leaded badly when newer. I bought a lead remover, not a Lewis but another name brand (I forget which now) and it works, but like rickinmd, Master Blaster and Dienekes I find it faster and easier to just wrap some strands of the Chore Boy pad around an old bore brush to get thre lead out. I usually run a patch with solvent or Breakfree through the bore first and let set for a while.
 
"I 've used Lee Alox to lub my lead bullets and get no leading."

Can you explain this for me.
It's only applicable if you load your own ammunition. Lee Liquid Alox is a bullet lubricant used to prevent leading. You apply it before you seat the bullets.
 
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