Learning firearms safety through negligent discharges.

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Wonder, you are very lucky. You owe a gread deal to Whoever or Whatever was watching over you and your friends.

To square the books, I recommend teaching everyone you can about The Four Rules. The Four Rules are life. Be thankful that you are around to tell others.
 
My own personal perspective about firearms and alcohol. While I often drink a little while carrying (once or twice a week, one or two beers), I resist any temptation to touch my CCW. Absolutely no press-checking, or seeing if the magazine is full, or just wiping the fingerprints off. No touching whatsoever. Once I've had a sip, it is off-limits save a life-threatening encounter (which I hope to never have). By the time I put it away in the safe at night, it's been hours since I drank. (I hate going to bed while under the influence anyway, since I always seem to end up hung-over or have a terrible night's sleep).

After further reflection, quiting seems like a pretty good deal. No spilled beer or wine, no bad breath, no hang-overs, cheaper dinners, more room in your fridge, saved money. The only downside seems to be the relaxation that comes so easy with alcohol. You can get it other ways, but for me they take more time and a more conscious effort. Maybe I should take my own advice and quit :)

-Pytron
 
I have to agree with ysr_racer. That is very serious.

I don't drink at all and everytime I hear one of these stories I am reminded of why I don't.

I am glad you came out ok.
 
ysr_racer


MY GOD, DO YOU PEOPLE REALIZE HOW SERIOUS THIS IS ?
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while serious, i don't think theres any need to have an emotional breakdown like all the other MMM-ers and gun grabbers over some stupid accident which i'm very sure he learned from.


You guys are scaring the crap outta me. You think handling firearms is a joke? Maybe the anti's are right. Maybe everybody shouldn't be able to own a firearm. I know you guys shouldn't.
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while i'm at it, get off your high horse, theres absolutely no grounds or reason for you to be an a**hole over something that has no effect on you whatsoever. the guy screwed up, learned from it, and has since moved on. i'm sure the shoe would be on the other foot though if someone crucified you over a dumb mistake.

edited because my grammar skills arent quite thier anymore ;)
 
on a lighter note, good to see you made it out alright wonder, stupid hurts!

i can't talk at all, one time we had to take cover in my barn from rain while shooting clay pigeons, and i was unloading my 11/87 and misconted the # of rnds that came out, THOUGHT i had the last out and pulled the trigger, resulting in a big ol hole through the plywood of the loft and impact on the roof itself.

i also remember a few stupid kids that thought throwing .22 lr rnds in a fire and then hiding behind a pile of wood was some of the greatest fun a 12 yrd old could have, till one of them caught a round in the calf
 
i also remember a few stupid kids that thought throwing .22 lr rnds in a fire and then hiding behind a pile of wood was some of the greatest fun a 12 yrd old could have, till one of them caught a round in the calf
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Sounds like something I would have done. It's probably a miracle I'm still alive...
 
Wondernine: Sounds like you've used most, if not all, of your get out of jail free cards. One ND was more than enough for me. You're very fortunate that you, or more importantly someone else, wasn't hurt or killed. BTW- Where did the bullet end up...and how's your hearing? Stay away from the guns when you are drunk, tired, or your mind is distracted in any way. A loaded weapon demands 100% of your attention. Glad you are OK!
 
It wasn't that loud, just a Federal Hi-velocity .22 long, but I was grazed from only 3" away or so, it could have done some serious damage. I didn't have any ringing in my ears at all. The bullet is somewhere between the sheetrock and the frame boards and that's where it'll stay.
 
My 12 year old cousin had his first (and hopefully last) ND this past week. He was pumping up his BB gun before he went outside to shoot and "it went off." His dad asked him if he had pulled the trigger. He said no. Upon hearing that his dad was taking said airgun and destroying it, as only a defective gun just goes off, he admitted to pulling the trigger.

I found out a few days later. I was PISSED and seriously let down. I had spent the most time with him teaching firearms safety. I asked him what happened, he said he accidently pulled the trigger, but it wasn't loaded so its not a big deal. DOH! ALL FIREARMS ARE ALWAYS LOADED!!!!

We had a little heart to heart about being safe. He now has to write an essay on firearms safety, the 4 rules, why they are important, and how he screwed up. I really hope that he learns a lesson from this. I had really high hopes for him. Up until now, he was safer than most adults I know, and in a few years could probably out shoot them as well.
 
You know, I had a fairly high powered combination BB/pellet gun when I was ten. Nobody taught me firearms safety and yet I never had a negligent discharge as far as I can remember. I think I sold that gun when I was about 16.
 
ysr_racer

Yep... WonderNine did something stupid..not only did he admit it, but he came here to share it with his peers. I think that lesson is learned. I don't see the need for you to be quite so shrill about it. Guns by thier very nature (much like my other passion, Motorcycles) can be dangerous. Anyone who can accept that needs to rethink his choice of hobby/lifestyle. Drinking and Guns do not mix (much like drinking and riding)...NOBODY is arguing that a ND is not serious. But a serious reminder can be delivered in a lighthearted manner.

Perhaps you are unaware of your audience here. Some of the most talented Shooters, Hunters and Trainers post here along with serious shooters and newbies seeking to learn more. This is not a group you need to Shout at to get your point accross.

e.g.
QUOTE]You guys are scaring the crap outta me. You think handling firearms is a joke? Maybe the anti's are right. Maybe everybody shouldn't be able to own a firearm. I know you guys shouldn't. [/QUOTE]

Does the mere thought fo someone behaving dangerously scare that much. If you saw someone driving doun the road on a bike without a helmet would you want to take away his bike?

What exactly are your qualifications to suggest that anyone else be deprived of RKBA?

If you lived in my area I would be happy to let you know when I go to the range so we would not meet...I don't think either of us would have much fun.

WonderNine - Thanks for sharing. Takes cojones to admit when you screw up.
 
When I was 18 y.o., I had an ND... shot myself in the finger.

Never had a problem since.






















Granted, that was with a BB gun, but that was enough for me :uhoh:
 
Bigjake

while i'm at it, get off your high horse, theres absolutely no grounds or reason for you to be an a**hole over something that has no effect on you whatsoever.
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Bigjake, let me guess. 21 still live at home with mom and dad? How close am I?

No effect on me? What happens if I'm standing next to him at the range? Or driving by his house? Or living across the street from this fool and he has another ID (idiot discharge)? Then what? Then it does have an effect on me.
 
techmike

Does the mere thought fo someone behaving dangerously scare that much.
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No, the thought of someone behaving that supidly does.


If you saw someone driving doun the road on a bike without a helmet would you want to take away his bike?
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Hey if you are STUPID enough to ride a bike without a helmet, that's your problem. Me, I've raced for enough years that I won't even ride without leathers.
 
let's cut to the chase...

The bottom line is that WonderNine made a mistake...he could have kept quiet and none of us would have known. Instead he was nice enough to own up to it and let it serve as a reminder for the rest of us. I could understand your ire if he was treating the incident like it was something funny or suggesting that mixing drinking and shooting is a good idea.

My point is I don't see the need for you or anyone else to bust his chops over it...he's doing that to himself.

My point is out in the open. What is your point?

A. Drinking and Guns don't mix (Been covered)
B. You hate ND's or (ID's):D (we all do)
C. You are so far superior to WonderNine and the rest of us that you can look down your nose and scoff. (This isn't it is it???)

The guy made a mistake. You claim years of racing experience. Ever misjudged a curve? Ever Dropped a Bike? If so, you two have done something stupid, give the guy a break!

an aside...I am with you 100% on the helmet and leathers and I am one of those Neanderthal Cruiser Riders :D

Edited to add: ysr_racer...I looked at your pix...Nice...but where's the bike!! How about the 2 wheeled eyecandy!!
 
Bigjake, let me guess. 21 still live at home with mom and dad? How close am I?

No effect on me? What happens if I'm standing next to him at the range? Or driving by his house? Or living across the street from this fool and he has another ID (idiot discharge)? Then what? Then it does have an effect on me.
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ysr_racer, I would never behave like this normally. You must have gathered that from my original post. Believe it or not, I'm anal retentive when it comes to gun handling, it's only when I've had a few (bottles of Jack) too many that I become Superfly TNT, Doc Holiday and Clint Eastwood all wrapped into one. I will never handle another firearm again while drunk, unless in a life threatening situation, of that you can rest assured. I agree with you, I cannot be told enough how stupid what I did was, but the insults toward bigjake were not warranted and as far as I know could be a more accurate description of your life than anyone else's. This is just an internet forum, let's try to keep it civil.

Btw, I have several friends who are dangerously close to 30 and live at home and I just turned 24 on Sunday and I've been back at home the past year and getting ready to move out for the second time. College tuition is a real bank account drainer.
 
Missing the point

I think some people are missing the point ysr_racer was trying to make. Having a ND is a very serious matter which should not be taken lightly, EVER. How would you feel if someone else would have been hurt...or worse?

Wondernine admits he made a mistake and I'm sure he feels remorse about it. And I think it is a good thing that he has shared the experience so we can all learn from it.

But consider this, if a person can drink to the point where their judgement is impaired enough to play around with a loaded gun, what will prevent a lapse in judgement the next time?

Lessons learned while sober don't matter much when alcohol overrides your common sense. I think there is more than one lesson we can all learn here.
 
Points of comment:

HAMMER ON WONDER FOR BEING A @$$. (On going, till some one else fesses up to an I.D.)

Reminding each other that stupid hurts and gun safety comes first. (Will never end)

Yelling just to hear yourself. (would like to see some where else, but if that makes you happy, I can take it.) RANT ON

Bringing Knowledge and experience to this table. (I'd like to think every one here tries to do.)

Wonder you just got a very cheap lesson in gun safety. Others have paid a lot more. I just hope that you don't waste it. If you do, the only thing that you might be good for is to show what not to do, and become another number on a stat sheet.
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Yeah, it took gigante juevos to post this...........................BTDT, have a nice hole in the front door to prove my stupidity. But it takes a MAN to admit his faults. Again, I am glad you or nobody was hurt, NOW DROP AND GIVE ME TWENTY..................SOLDIER !!!!:D
 
I don't wear a helmet when I ride my bike. Yall hurt my feewings:eek: :)
 
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