Lee Press and Die Q's

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I have a Lee Classic Turret and just put Lee PaceSetter 3-die set in one of my turrets. Loading .223 for AR

Question is:

Do I finger tighten the lock rings on all of the dies, or can I loc-tite and put a wrench on it? I will not be removing them once I get them set.
 
I do not see any reason to use loctite. I think you'll be perfectly fine with finger tight. If you really want them solid, buy screw-in lock rings from another brand of diemaker, and use the set screw. However, IMHO, Lee's system works well and doesn't damage the die over time like some others can.
 
My only concern is when I did a rough set up of the dies in the turret and screwed the lock rings down, they still seemed to moe around a little.

I guess I just need to keep my hands off them after they're set and see how they do?
 
I've got the same setup except for handgun calibers. I usually finger-tighten the locknuts then give them a half-turn with a crescent wrench just to cinch it up good. You might have to hold the top of the die to make sure they don't spin with the nut though.

I don't think I would use loctite, not even 242 (ie. blue, temporary). Unnecessary and will make disassembly or later adjustment more difficult.
 
In my Loadmaster turrets I removed the o-ring and locked the dies down using a wrench, they stay in adjustment that way and when I clean the dies I just remove the turret and clean 1 die at a time and never remove the die body from the turret.
 
Yes, just what MMCSRET said.

After removing the o-ring, I turn the nut upside down so it has a wide flat surface to bear against the top of the press. Once tightened, it will stay indefinitely. Longer than you and I will last.
 
Lock down the lock-nut (Crecent wrench) with a case in the die and the ram up and the die won't try to turn on you.

rcmodel
 
I use a wrench to just snug them down. I have been loading on a classic turret for two years and have never had a die get loose. I leave the rubber O-ring on the locknut.
Rusty
 
I've replaced every Lee lock ring I have with Hornady or Forster clamp-type lock rings. They may not fit on the Lee turret if the dies are too close. Once the lock ring is tightened on the die, it will not move, nor will it damage the die threads. If you need to remove a die from the tool head, the lock ring will keep the die setting for you so you don't have to re-adjust after replacing it.

Andy
 
Actually that is one of my very favorite LEE features, I know others hate it but I can't figure out why the dislike. I've changed the lock rings on all of my other brand dies (RCBS, Dillon, Hornaday, Forester and Redding) to the LEE O-Ring dies. I never have a problem with them loosening. I use them on fully progressive, manual index and single stage presses without problem or incident. I hold the die body with a wrench and tighten the lock nut by hand as tightly as I am able. RCBS and other similar lock nuts with the set screws always seem to loosen on me. I've never used Lock-Tite on any dies. I've got die plates for various presses that are using the O-Ring nuts and the dies haven't moved in years through many die plate changes.
 
I have drilled & tapped every Lee lock-ring I have for a set-screw and a lead shot.

Once I set them right, I don't want to have to ever mess with adjusting them again because the stupid O-Ring nut moved when I was changing dies!

rcmodel
 
I can see where Lee lock rings would work ok for a die that gets tightened into a tool head or die plate and never removed for anything.

But when you have to remove/replace dies from a regular press, the Lee lock rings don't stay put. Once the die is removed from the press, there is nothing to compress the o-ring, resulting in very little friction holding the lock ring in place. It's impossible to tell when re-installing a die whether the Lee lock ring has moved from a previous setting.

I also don't care for set-screw type lock rings because they seem to want to either strip out or loosen up with use. But the clamp-type lock rings from Hornady and Forster hold tight no matter what.

Andy
 
You don't want them to be totally locked down. You want the dies to be able to move around a little tiny bit and align the brass case inside. This improves the quality of the reloads.

Dave
 
You don't want them to be totally locked down. You want the dies to be able to move around a little tiny bit and align the brass case inside. This improves the quality of the reloads.

Bingo! I agree with that...especially for the sizing die. You want it just tight enough to stay put, but loose enough that the die can float a little so it can self center to some degree. I had a different brand of die that seemed to size cases with slightly crooked necks, I put a Lee lock ring on it and it definitely seems to have improved the concentricity of the sized cases. Now every one of my sizing dies has a Lee lock ring on it.

I do prefer the Hornady lock rings on my pistol seating dies, and rifle dies where I'm using a crimp. Seems to be more repeatable when I change out dies, but I don't have a turret. In your case I would simply use the Lee lock rings for the dies in the turret plate and not worry about it. I think they'll stay put just fine.
 
"Float"

The case floats in the shell holder to center it in the die.
The die isn't typically designed to float in the press. It is fixed by the lock ring.
 
The case floats in the shell holder to center it in the die.
The die isn't typically designed to float in the press. It is fixed by the lock ring.
Correct, you don't want the die loose at all.
 
You don't want them to be totally locked down.
Wrong!

To set a sizing die or crimping die centered in the press threads, run a case into it all the way and leave it there.

Then lock the lock-ring down tight!

Leaving a sizing die loose to "float around" and center itself while using it is a recipe for headspace disaster!

rcmodel
 
Do you have more than one rifle in .223 caliber? If you do then you may not wish to loctite it so that you can adjust OAL or Ogive length, which ever you reload to.
 
like most others here have said, i snug them down with a wrench.

not chevy 350 head bolt tight, just snugged with a wrench.
 
Die/case float is a tricky thing... Depending on how it floats, and how freely it floats, it can be good, bad, or make no difference. Threaded dies left (slightly) loose in the press can float some, but the threads will force a tilt as the die tries to slide horizontally in the threaded hole. This tilt limits the ability of the die to align with the case correctly. If everything just happens to work out, a loose die can improve the situation, but if not, it may make it worse or make no practical difference.

A traditional shell holder held in a slot in the ram does allow the bottom of the case to slide around a bit. However, if the surfaces are not polished and/or lubricated, the force of advancing the case into the die, together with friction between the case/shell holder/ram prevents the case from freely aligning with the die. Furthermore, most traditional press rams have different tilting forces on them throughout the stroke, which together with necessary clearance in the ram-press bearing, causes the case to advance in a slight vertical arc into the die, rather a straight line.

Comparatively, the Forster Co-Ax allows the die's lock ring, not threads, to float horizontally in the press frame, without the tilt caused by the threads. Then the co-ax's ram and linkage are designed to apply lateral thrust throughout the stroke in only one direction, which takes out the slack in the bearing uniformly throughout the stroke, resulting in the case being advanced in a vertical straight line into the die. Furthermore, the pressure plate underneath the case is polished to better allow the case to slide around when under pressure, and align itself with the die.

Andy
 
I'm going going to work it finger tight for now to see how it works. IF not I'll take the O-ring off and turn the lock ring upside down.

I'm not worried about how permanent the setup is, I have 4 extra turrets, and if I need more there not expensive.

Thanks for all the suggestions, I'll let you know how I fair out and give a range report of my first rifle reloads.
 
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