Left hand AR options and opinions for short woman with short arms

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Arizona_Mike

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I have taken a strongly left-eye-dominant female friend sooting twice since switching her to shotting a rifle left handed and the difference is like night and day. Very teachable with few bad habbits like most women are and some natural skill there as well.

I've been big on red dots and holographic sites since turning 40 (could shoot all sights equally well in my youth) and she does vey good with them. I had her shooting an AR with a Burris FastFire III on a .83" riser (standard AR height), a Ruger 10/22 with same sight and a M4-style stock and an AR with a Burris 4X illuminated reticle tactical scope. She did great, even with the Burrris which was set way to far back for her length of pull. My late wife was a poor shot with open irons but a little Annie Oakley with ghost rings, so I tend to look a little deeper into the cause of problems. I've seen lots of women who were poor pistol shots but good rifle/carbine shots so when I found my friend to be much better with a handgun than rifle I tried to figure out why and found she was actually using her left eye when shooting a handgun right handed.

She wants a rifle but is short with short T-Rex arms and a large chest and needs a short length of pull and a close far arm position as well and there is just not enough choice in youth bolt guns and I think an AR is perfect for her. I don't see her owning more than one rifle.

So, I've always been of the opinion that if you only own one AR, you should own a mid-length 18"-barrel Recce and I think that would be a good choice for her as long as the barrel is not too heavy. However, I am open to a 16" or even a 14.5" with per-attached flash hider if you can make a good argument. The handguard can be short since she can't reach out that far and that will save more weight. There should probably be red dot with backup sights set up for lower 1/3 co-witness. Am I making good assumptions for her?

What is a good chice of fairly light weight 18" stainless mid-length barrel that is not overgassed? In my experiance, the Sampson Evolution is a pretty darn light handguad and not too meaty, but I can go with an even smaller tube since it will not extend the length of the gas action. What is a good choice?

Left handed upper and BCG is a no-brainer and I know what to get there. For the lower I was thinking of a BAD-ASS safety with the long lever on the "wrong side" and a lower choice with safety markings on both sides. Preferably a lower with a hard stop before the happy position because in my experiance the BAD-ASS will rotate 180 degrees in most lowers and I want to decrease the potential for her to get confused. I have a BAD Lever and a let hand mag release on my main lower but I suspect using modern technique a lefty shooter needs neither. However, is there a same side hold-open/release extention that will put the control closer to her rather short fingers and give her leverage enough to release the slide? What is a good pistol grip for a woman with medium width hands but short fingers?

Mike
 
Input from an actual lefty:

Skip the left handed upper and bolt. There is no benefit there, and there's a reason only one or two companies make them. Get her a standard rifle with a BCM Gunfighter CH (or one of the ambi handles that have come out in the past couple years if you want to drop the coin), an ambi selector (the plain old style is fine, you don't need to spend the money on something bad arse, it's lever for crying out loud) and an ambi mag release (I like Norgon).

Input that is not lefty specific:

If she has short little T-rex arms, I'm presuming she is of fairly short stature. For a general purpose gun, I'd say get her a 14.5 permed, or a 16" standard or lightweight barrel. The little bit of muzzle velocity you lose with a shorter barrel doesn't matter much for the every-day stuff most of us shoot at anyway.
 
I agree, just go with a standard AR; I'm a lefty and it bothers me not at all.
A bolt actions a different story though.
 
Arizona Mike;

Here's more input from a leftie. I built a left-handed AR & I wouldn't have it any other way. Would one of the larger ranges somewhere in AZ possibly have an available LH gun she could try out? Let her make her own decision, but by all means she should try a left hand specific gun.

900F
 
So what ambi safety is going to save me substantial money over ordering the Battle Arms Development unit I like from Amazon for $45 shipping included? The $30+shipping DPMS one that many people have fitment issues with and is thick and long on the weak side causin g it to get blocked by your index finder? The BAD-ASS is very well built and economically priced. I didn't name the damn thing :)

I like the Norgon too for the low effort and being very close to the location of the right side button and don't mind the high price ($89). I went with the Troy myself to keep it a good distance from my Magpul BAD Lever but it is admittedly stiff (and I am no longer buying Troy products where there are reasonable alternatives). However, does a lefty even need a left side release? I only use my left side release shooting right handed.

I love my BCMs and will probably get her the ambi version. Worth the money in my opinion.

Mike
 
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I've got a southpaw Stag, and I love it. For once, I have a gun that ejects on the correct side of the gun:evil:

I'm not going to run my AR enough to worry about the carrier and bolt. When I break it (if I break it), I'll just order another from Stag. If Stag's LH models go the way of the dodo, I'll just get a nice right handed upper and grumble about it.

I really do appreciate a dedicated LH rifle, and I'm sure she would too.
 
Arizona_Mike,

If she's got short fingers to match those short arms, the Norgon may not do her much good since she probably won't be able to reach it. I didn't think of that earlier.
 
My lefty shooting friends use the ambidextrous CH and safety. None of them think a left hand upper is worth it and they use their right thumb to actuate the mag release.

As far as configurations go, for general use I'd go with a 16" lightweight midlength upper w/o the rails and other weight that kills balance. Going shorter means you lose the flexibility of changing muzzle devices later.

BSW
 
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I'm also a lefty. The only mod that I've made to my two AR15s to make them more lefty friendly have been DPMS ambidextrous selectors. I don't have problems with the rest of the controls.

Consider a 16" pencil barrel setup, similar to what's found on the old CAR-15s or a Colt 6520.
 
I worked with many left-handed GI's over the years. They only thing different were the brass deflectors to keep hot brass from going down a sleeve. IMHO, no need to get fancy or go non-standard. make the AR to where she is comfortable, so far a weight and length, and get a bunch of ammo for range time. Once a left learns the controls, it is smooth sailing.
 
I'll leave the lefty upper vs. righty upper with various ambi controls for the lefties here to advise on.

I am, however a T-Rex human hybrid of the male variety. I have short arms, broad shoulders, and short fat fingers. I very much sympathize with your T-Rex human hybrid lady friend. You're spot on with the idea that an AR is a great option for us short armed folks. You've already confirmed that with her shooting your righty ARs.

As far as setup, I'd stay light. I'm in my early thirties, and in spite of my gut and service connected sleep issues I've maintained good upper body strength. I fell in love with the idea of rifle length railed hand guards with a front sight base opening on carbine length gas systems, and set up one of my AR carbines that way (the other is a DD that came that way). I still really like that set up, but my next AR will be lighter.

So, regardless of righty or lefty upper I'd stick with a basic 16" bbl AR. Light weight, medium contour, or GI contour are all good barrel options. Light weight and Med Con barrels are better balanced than GI. Carbine vs. Mid Length gas system isn't anything I'd worry about either way. Standard hand guards are fine. I'd get MagPul MOE hand guards though because they provide plenty of sling and white light mounting options without the added expense and weight of several linear feet of aluminum rail.
 
As a lefty I see no reason to get a lefty AR... really there is no point. I don't even notice brass ejecting to the right. If anything it is kind of nice to not have to flip the rifle over to look into the ejection port.

As far as controls I add ambi selector, ambi charging handle, and ambi mag catch. (I'd probably do this even if I was a righty).

The mag catch is only useful if she's got the finger length and strength to operate it and wants competition-level speed of mag changes. Otherwise operating the normal button with the right thumb while grabbing the mag to remove it works very well.

As far as getting the bolt closed from a locked open state, I hit the stock bolt catch with my trigger finger, but again you need fairly long fingers and some hand strength to do that. Lacking that I would just operate the charging handle to release the bolt.
 
My wife is of similar stature, and a 16" AR with an adjustable stock fits about as good as anything.

I can't comment on the left or right handed, though. I still can't get her not to switch hands to rack a pistol slide. Efficiency of motion is a losing proposition at the moment.
 
Does someone make a same-side slide catch/release paddle for those with short fingers?

Mike
 
If she can only have one AR15, why not get her a Colt6920 MOE edition. Add the Raptor Ambi CH, BAD-ASS selector, Magpul BAD release, and an ambi mag release. Even a MOE K grip would help shorten her length of pull (LOP) if she wants a different pistol grip.
 
Magpul BAD lever effectively does that.

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I think that will work. She won't be able to reach the release with her tripper finger even with the BAD Lever, but she can hit it with the right thumb after inserting a magazine with her right hand. I think that will work just fine.

Mike
 
So it sounds like lefties are about 50/50 on the usefulness of a left-ejecting upper?

Mike
 
I'm left handed. I have owned several ARs over the years and shot several more in the Army. As long as there's a built in shell deflector "bump" I never felt the need for a lefty upper.

If your friend has small hands, consider one of the newer free float hand guard tubes such as the Noveske NSR http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?cat=183

or the Centurion Arms CMR system https://www.centurionarms.net/index...56:new-product-556-cmr-rail-system&Itemid=189

These give a very small diameter forend profile that's great for small hands as they don't have those "cheese grater" 1913 rails at 9, 6 or 3 o'clock.
 
Another southpaw here who hasn't drunk the right handed koolaid about southpaws not "needing" left handed firearm. I'd like to see what the right handed folks would say if all they could get were left handed firearms.

Go with a lefty Stag. If nothing else, not having hot brass and some hot gasses blast out right in front of your face will be worth it.

Oh, and by the way, I go back to the original M-16 (no, not the A1 the critter LeMay bought into). 5.56 brass back in your face hurts, and down the back of your shirt is worse. And, some times the fancy little brass deflector on the later versions DOES NOT WORK! And, I have the scar to prove it, right along the bridge of my nose. Yep, got stuck between the glasses and face. You CANNOT get rid of it fast enough.
 
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