LEO use of revolvers in 2014

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The Sheriff one county over still carries a Smith 66. Several officers locally do carry a snub for a backup.

Texas Dept of Criminal Justice (prison system) still issues a 4" Smith model 64 but are in transition to an auto.

The most popular duty gun in my area is the Glock

There is another factor in the auto's popularity that rarely gets mentioned. Just price a new Smith 66 or 686 nowadays and it is sticker shock compared to a glock. In the new gun market, there are far more models and calibers of affordable duty quality autos to choose from compared to models and calibers of affordable new duty revolvers.

Price is a major concern for some. So the small town 9 bucks an hour LEO has another reason to buy an auto......it is more affordable when new gun shopping.
 
Who can forget the Glock nearly give-away program in their early years to get LO agency's to switch to them the next replacement cycle instead of buying other brands.

Sure, they lost money for the first go-round.
But they made it back up in spades once the LEO agency's has switched to the cheap, almost free Dark Side!

rc
 
Who can forget the Glock nearly give-away program in their early years to get LO agency's to switch to them the next replacement cycle instead of buying other brands.

Sure, they lost money for the first go-round.
But they made it back up in spades once the LEO agency's has switched to the cheap, almost free Dark Side!

rc
One of the most brilliant business decisions I have ever witnessed.
 
Glock: The Rise of America's Gun Is a good read especially if you ever wonder why you see so many Glocks on the belts of LEOs.

as to the OP i still see the guys in the armored trucks carry revolvers.
 
Armored car guards....

Many armed security officers or messengers, :rolleyes: who work in deposit pick-ups or armored vehicle details also have a loaded 12ga pump shotgun or 2 in the vehicle. ;)
My armed security instructor, a crusty old combat veteran & security industry big-wheel told my class how when he left the armed forces, he worked as a armored car guard. They toted model 10 .38spl revolvers & one always stood over-watch with a old Remington 870 12ga or Ithaca 37. :D

Some guard services & "couriers" use DA only revolvers in .38spl for insurance/civil liability reasons. They make guards pack the neutered sidearms(as LAPD calls DA only) to avoid ADs & horseplay.

I've owned & packed 2 Ruger DA only revolvers, a SP101 .357magnum 2.25" barrel & a rare never-issued GPNY I bought from a FFL holder in rural AL.
Both wheel guns were fantastic & I felt safe with them at my side.
In the GPNY 4" barrel I used Speer Gold Dot 135gr +P JHP & Buffalo Bore 158gr lead SWC-HP +P. I kept 2 Bianchi 6rd speed strips in my uniform pockets too. :)
 
NYPD/ESU; M&P R8 .357magnum.....

It was mentioned briefly but I wanted to expand on a point made in a early post.
The elite ESU or emergency services unit of the NYPD has used Smith & Wesson M&P R8 .357magnum revolvers(with 1913 rails) for some limited applications. When a ESU member has a shield or "body bunker" they deploy the N frame M&P revolvers rather than pistols. I think due to the CQB nature of their tactics & the way a semi auto pistol has spent brass fly out, the use of the R8 8 shot revolver makes more sense.

Rusty
PS; Dwayne Johnson's DSS agent character in the Fast & Furious action movies used a big stainless N frame .44magnum. :D
But he's fictional so that doesn't count.
 
Spotted a uniformed HPD officer this week working from horseback in downtown Houston with a S&W 357 (looked like a Model 27) in his holster.
 
Texas Department Of Criminal Justice revolvers are .357 Magnum Model 65s, not .38 Special Model 64s, even though they only shoot .38 Specials in the .357 Magnums.

From what I understand TDCJ is transitioning very very slowly to Smith & Wesson M&Ps in .357 Sig. TDCJ-OIG is using the Glock 23 .40.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
Many armed security officers or messengers, :rolleyes: who work in deposit pick-ups or armored vehicle details also have a loaded 12ga pump shotgun or 2 in the vehicle. ;)
My armed security instructor, a crusty old combat veteran & security industry big-wheel told my class how when he left the armed forces, he worked as a armored car guard. They toted model 10 .38spl revolvers & one always stood over-watch with a old Remington 870 12ga or Ithaca 37. :D

Some guard services & "couriers" use DA only revolvers in .38spl for insurance/civil liability reasons. They make guards pack the neutered sidearms(as LAPD calls DA only) to avoid ADs & horseplay.

I've owned & packed 2 Ruger DA only revolvers, a SP101 .357magnum 2.25" barrel & a rare never-issued GPNY I bought from a FFL holder in rural AL.
Both wheel guns were fantastic & I felt safe with them at my side.
In the GPNY 4" barrel I used Speer Gold Dot 135gr +P JHP & Buffalo Bore 158gr lead SWC-HP +P. I kept 2 Bianchi 6rd speed strips in my uniform pockets too. :)
I've got one of those GPNY 38s. they aren't rare but are scarce. After I shimmed it a bit and changed springs it became a wonderful shooter.
 
I can see where autos and their magazine capacity are preferred...but I can see where a good single action revolver like a .357mag or .44 mag might be practical.
 
Europe....

Oddly as the "wonder-nine" craze hit the USA in the early 1980s, I remember a few US gun press articles about how the police & special ops/counter terrorist in Western Europe went gaga over .357magnum/.38spl revolvers(DA). :confused:
Units in France, Spain, Norway, Germany, etc all thought the K/L frame 6 shooters were super cool.
Id opt for a well made Hi Power, SIG Sauer or HK sidearm anyday over a S&W K frame .38spl 6 shooter.
 
NYPD ESU's use of revolvers by the shield man have nothing to do with flying brass. They are used because a malfunctioning semiauto needs two hands to clear. If the revolver has a misfire the shield man an stay behind the shield and just pull the trigger again.

There are about 500 officers in ESU spread throughout 11 stations in the boroughs.
 
Fewer and fewer revolvers in the future
I work for a U.S. Federal law enforcement agency and WE ALL CARRY THE SAME GUN. A .40 S&W semi-auto. No exceptions! The gun and caliber were chosen from the top down and even though everyone qualifies, some just barely qualify.

Now to make matters worse, we are reducing our qualification hours to JUST 8 HOURS PER YEAR! I do not expect things to improve as bureaucracies do not believe that they are capable of making mistakes and a lack of training will not have any negative effect as any bureaucrat will deny it was a mistake to begin with.

If this sort of mentality spreads and it probably will, then revolvers will all but disappear as they will not be winning the big government contracts and that is what drives a large part of the handgun business.


Great post, even though it's rather "chilling", but having to do with our "gubmint".......not at all surprising! (I'll remember this post every time I read another article in a gun mag about "how many cops carrying Glocks have accidental discharges". )
 
And just before I retired from a federal agency we went from 60 rounds to 36 to qualify.
 
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I actually saw a NYPD sergeant on the streets a couple weeks ago with a S&W of some kind in his holster. That's how you know he's an old timer.

They were keeping an eye on a demonstration.
 
My first issued gun in 1970 was a used Colt .38. It broke and they gave me a new S&W Model 64, 4". Ten years later I went into plain clothes and got a 2" Model 64. Five years later they went to the 9mm. Then a 10mm. Later went to .357Sig. Retired an kept the Sig.

Quarterly range sessions during the revolver days meant firing from distances of seven yards back to sixty yards. Timed single action at that extended distance was easy from a prone position. We also practiced bulls eye single action shooting. When the autos came along, maximum training distance was reduced to 25 yards.

Extreme precision shooting for LEO is not popular anymore. Get lots of rounds on target quickly in close combat is now the theme. Times change and needs change, but I still favor the revolver.
 
I've seen a few revolvers in Dallas. Most are worn by officers who I can't comment on here, but who impress me as not having any sort of gun backgrounds and who probably bought the gun cheap from someone else.

I think the city security force also uses the Model 64's once used by DPD , issued to officers who didn't prefer to buy their own.

However, the officer who has the most kills in real gunfights (to my knowledge) used an issue M- 10 or M-64 (I think the latter) and issued lead Plus P HP's. He killed six opponents with that gun and load. I don't think any hit him with return fire.

I wore a S&W M-66, occasionally a Ruger Security-Six or a GP-100, over 30 or so years as a security officer. How many hours I worked depended on which other jobs I could get. I was often full time. I spent several years protecting a wealthy client who had had death threats. That job was at a large estate, where she also owned the adjacent house, with a creek behind and a wooded area with some interesting wildlife. I had to keep in mind that I might actually have to shoot someone to save my own hide as well as save other lives. And I worked bank security at a time when a very aggressive, active robber was making the rounds.

I could have carried any auto of 9mm or greater power, but I'd have had to buy new leather and magazines and pay extra to qualify again with an auto to carry one. The job paid from $7-9 an hour. If I hadn't been writing on the side, I couldn't have made ends meet. I felt pretty confident with a revolver and two speedloaders on my belt. I did carry more ammo in my car. BTW, I had to face down some would-be arsonists who were about to burn the home of a lawyer next door. The revolver intimidated them enough to leave.

By the time I retired, I was seriously considering buying new leather and mags and paying to re-qualify with my Beretta 9mm M-92FS. There are just too many crimes committed by small gangs, inc. bank robberies and jewelry store heists.

BTW, a detective with a suburban police dept. told me that he had gotten some good feedback on how the 145 grain Silvertip JHP performed in DPD shootings. It was an optional load for those preferring to carry .357's. He described the effects of that round as being very positive. He was being conservative in his description. I don't think anyone using that .357 Silvertip had to shoot anyone a second time, assuming that the bullet was well placed.
I carried that load or the Federal .357 Hydra-Shok when circumstances allowed carrying Magnum ammunition. (Indoors, I used .38 lead HP ammo.)

Some police in Europe use revolvers. I saw a pic Online of a female French detective with a snub Ruger SP-101 in a holster at the small of her back. And Manurhin has made a considerable number of their MR-88 which is based on the Ruger Security-Six. I don't think any have been imported here. It seems to use some sort of crane lock. Doesn't surprise me, as many Six series guns have somewhat loosely fitted cranes. That's the main advance the GP-100 and SP-101 offer: the front lock for the crane.

Brazilian cops usually can't carry more than .38 Special guns, so they use revolvers. Normal citizens there who don't have expensive collector's licenses are limited to .38's or .380 autos or smaller. Given that choice, you can see why .38's are popular.

Overall, today's cops carry autos for good reasons. Alas, many lack the skill and discipline to use them wisely. It shouldn't take 42 rounds of 9mm to kill one suspect, and stray bullets endanger bystanders. The Sergeant-at-Arms in the Canadian Parliament last week used a whole magazine on that terrorist. If he'd had additional terrorists nearby, where would that have left him? And then, he had to return to his office for a spare magazine! :uhoh:

I'm not knocking Kevin Vickers, and would support him receiving a serious award for gallantry. But I think a little bit of "spray and pray" was involved.
 
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We have the option. I have carried a revolver fairly consistently since the late 70s.
 
I'm not a cop nor do I watch cops on TV. I'm not even sure my TV still works, I haven't used it in a long time. Cops don't carry revolvers anymore because they aren't issued revolvers. If they were they would be 40 cal. Glock revolvers with moon clips.:scrutiny:
 
Years ago: SE Asia.....

Years back as a teen, I read a interesting article about what sidearms/weapons were common in SE Asia, 1962-1975 for US intel & "advisors".
The writer mentioned how some CIA officers posted in Saigon(South Viet Nam) would get one/01 S&W J frame 36 .38spl 5 shot or a model 60(the stainless steel model). The armorer or bureau chief would then let the officer fire 10/ten rounds of .38spl & thats it. :eek:
S&W model 36s & Colt D frame Det Specials were common in the US & for "deployed" forces for decades. ;)
 
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