Can anyone shed some light on this? Why isn't the MSN covering this story?
www.newswithviews.com/Stubbs/rodney13.htm
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LEOs Beheaded???
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longeyes
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The symbolic impact, if played up, might actually wake up the American people to the dangers of what's happening at the border. We can't have that. Too much money at stake. Spike that one.
Malum Prohibitum
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Come on.
Its sickening and this should be broadcast accross the whole country until justice is served. This would derail the liberal media's goal of sympathy for the illegals.
Why do liberals so desperately want to destroy this country?
Why do liberals so desperately want to destroy this country?
JohnBT
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Everything I've googled up says the three were Mexican and killed south of the border. Here's one report:
Three cops and an American resident too. But not much press attention. Why? Maybe because it didn’t happen 6000 miles away in Baghdad, but 25 miles away in Rosarito Beach, Baja California Norte (BCN), Mexico (near Tijuana, and in the same municipality/municipo). The LA Times reports
Mexican authorities discovered the decapitated bodies of three police officers and a fourth man Wednesday near an empty lot in the seaside town of Rosarito Beach, about 15 miles south of the border.
The officers had gone missing Tuesday after responding to a report of a kidnapping. Witnesses said that the officers were intercepted by about 100 heavily armed, masked men dressed as Mexican federal agents, said a spokesman for the Baja California state attorney general’s office.
The men’s bodies showed signs of torture. Their heads were found in Tijuana, several miles away. Authorities said the men were the victims of an organized crime hit, the latest in a string of killings or attempted killings of law enforcement officials in Baja California.
Rosarito Beach, a popular weekend destination for Southern Californians, is also a heavily contested transshipment point for drug traffickers.
Three cops and an American resident too. But not much press attention. Why? Maybe because it didn’t happen 6000 miles away in Baghdad, but 25 miles away in Rosarito Beach, Baja California Norte (BCN), Mexico (near Tijuana, and in the same municipality/municipo). The LA Times reports
Mexican authorities discovered the decapitated bodies of three police officers and a fourth man Wednesday near an empty lot in the seaside town of Rosarito Beach, about 15 miles south of the border.
The officers had gone missing Tuesday after responding to a report of a kidnapping. Witnesses said that the officers were intercepted by about 100 heavily armed, masked men dressed as Mexican federal agents, said a spokesman for the Baja California state attorney general’s office.
The men’s bodies showed signs of torture. Their heads were found in Tijuana, several miles away. Authorities said the men were the victims of an organized crime hit, the latest in a string of killings or attempted killings of law enforcement officials in Baja California.
Rosarito Beach, a popular weekend destination for Southern Californians, is also a heavily contested transshipment point for drug traffickers.
Sistema1927
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My "urban legends" alarm went off, but Snopes has nothing to say about this.
Any other collaboration?
Any other collaboration?
longeyes
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Come on, what?
You think the illegal alien pushers want Americans to understand the level of barbarism that is slowly but surely encroaching upon the American way of life? What happened down there was a symptom of narco-terror in a narco-economy. There is an ARMY of gangmembers, most involved in the drug trade, camped in the U.S. Hundreds of thousands of them. A lot of them are illegal aliens, probably most. We are not that far away from having our country de facto taken over by drug warlords. Welcome to Mogadishu.
And a lot of our politicians are aiding and abetting the problem, along with a lot of media and business pimps.
You think the illegal alien pushers want Americans to understand the level of barbarism that is slowly but surely encroaching upon the American way of life? What happened down there was a symptom of narco-terror in a narco-economy. There is an ARMY of gangmembers, most involved in the drug trade, camped in the U.S. Hundreds of thousands of them. A lot of them are illegal aliens, probably most. We are not that far away from having our country de facto taken over by drug warlords. Welcome to Mogadishu.
And a lot of our politicians are aiding and abetting the problem, along with a lot of media and business pimps.
ApexinM3
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My Google search didn't turn up much, either. I am curious to see how this pans out. IF there is any merit to this story then it needs to be brought to light. If there is not any merit, then that would explain the lack of coverage. I'll be watching this one closely.
Tomcat1066
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But all the Mexican's crossing the border just want to come and do the jobs that no one here wants to do
Tom
Tom
longeyes
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Missing heads are dramatic and scary.
But no more than kids being gunned down by ex-con illegal aliens who somehow are Out Again and still armed and violent. We had two kids, three and six, shot by some sub-human last weekend in the Boyle Heights area of L.A. They were in the way of his target, apparently. This guy had seven previous arrests and was in this country illegally.
Anyone care? Big media scandal? Outrage from "good citizens?"
And yet our Mayor tells us that illegal aliens are not a crime problem, that saying this is "inflammatory." Well, Mr Mayor, the flames are rising...
But no more than kids being gunned down by ex-con illegal aliens who somehow are Out Again and still armed and violent. We had two kids, three and six, shot by some sub-human last weekend in the Boyle Heights area of L.A. They were in the way of his target, apparently. This guy had seven previous arrests and was in this country illegally.
Anyone care? Big media scandal? Outrage from "good citizens?"
And yet our Mayor tells us that illegal aliens are not a crime problem, that saying this is "inflammatory." Well, Mr Mayor, the flames are rising...
Bartholomew Roberts
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Not only is the story true; but there are several existing threads on the subject at THR from several months back.
Tom said:
Personally I feel that that line is a cop-out. Businesses that hire illegal workers don't pay them minimum wage or follow the other rules and regulations set in place to protect workers.
The jobs aren't being offered to citizens because then the employer would be forced to follow the rules and spend more out of pocket.
If you want to be disgusted at someone and want to gag at the state of the current US work force...look to those who hire and support illegal workers. If those jobs were given to legal workers and laws were followed there is a good chance that we would see a decline in unemployed American workers and put more money to work in our economy. I, for one, would be willing to pay for a slight increase in some basic services to see this happen and support our country and country-men.
longeyes
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It's been on THR: I posted that story in a generally related thread a few weeks ago.
Double Naught Spy
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Biker, what is your fixation with MSN? You want to know why MSN isn't covering the story, but Microsoft Network is hardly a news agency like Associated Press, UPI, CNN, etc.
Tell me of this outrage and coverup. As near as I can tell, Rodney Stubbs is reporting something about which he has no real understanding. I am just guessing here, but apparently he, you, and others think that since the information was on CSPAN and there was a San Diego officer in the coversation that this somehow relates to US officers.
Did you follow the links?
Maybe this story will be of interest.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20060630-9999-1m30tjcrime.html
Guess what, the beheaded individuals weren't US cops. Plus, they weren't the only ones killed. On top of that, Mexican officials are even suggesting the cops killed were dirty cops.
The correlation with the Private Tucker is simply a ploy, playing on that incident and the grief associated with it, plus the fact that he was an American, to give the article more emotion.
Are you really all that concerned about a supposed coverup of Mexican officers being killed and beheaded? Is what bothers you the fact they were killed or that they were beheaded?
If this is some sort of news media coverup, lamazza, where liberals are trying to destroy our country, what is to be gained by not reporting on the deaths of LEO in another country?
FYI, the story was broken before the C-SPAN 5 July report by Stubbs. It appeared in the San Diego paper on 30 June as sort of local news, San Diego being the closest major US city to Rosarito Beach where the incident occurred.
Sorry Biker, but I think you bit into Stubb's sensationalized and unresearched propoganda, hook, line, and sinker.
Tell me of this outrage and coverup. As near as I can tell, Rodney Stubbs is reporting something about which he has no real understanding. I am just guessing here, but apparently he, you, and others think that since the information was on CSPAN and there was a San Diego officer in the coversation that this somehow relates to US officers.
Did you follow the links?
Maybe this story will be of interest.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20060630-9999-1m30tjcrime.html
Guess what, the beheaded individuals weren't US cops. Plus, they weren't the only ones killed. On top of that, Mexican officials are even suggesting the cops killed were dirty cops.
The correlation with the Private Tucker is simply a ploy, playing on that incident and the grief associated with it, plus the fact that he was an American, to give the article more emotion.
Are you really all that concerned about a supposed coverup of Mexican officers being killed and beheaded? Is what bothers you the fact they were killed or that they were beheaded?
If this is some sort of news media coverup, lamazza, where liberals are trying to destroy our country, what is to be gained by not reporting on the deaths of LEO in another country?
FYI, the story was broken before the C-SPAN 5 July report by Stubbs. It appeared in the San Diego paper on 30 June as sort of local news, San Diego being the closest major US city to Rosarito Beach where the incident occurred.
Sorry Biker, but I think you bit into Stubb's sensationalized and unresearched propoganda, hook, line, and sinker.
longeyes
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Not to worry. The border's not a problem. Everyone relax.
Sistema1927
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Not sure that there is a cover-up. I did a search, and quickly found articles from the LA Times, the Houston Chronicle, CNN International, a Phoenix paper, CBS news, etc.
The original article in this thread is a bit misleading. The assumption you come away from it is that this happened to US LEOs on US soil. Instead, they were Mexican LEOs, and the murders/decaptiations happened in Mexico.
This may or may not be related to the trafficing in illegal aliens, but it might just be three corrupt Mexican cops who tried to double cross other bad guys. I am inclined to believe the latter, if only based on first hand experience with the way that Law Enforcement works (or doesn't work) in Mexico.
The original article in this thread is a bit misleading. The assumption you come away from it is that this happened to US LEOs on US soil. Instead, they were Mexican LEOs, and the murders/decaptiations happened in Mexico.
This may or may not be related to the trafficing in illegal aliens, but it might just be three corrupt Mexican cops who tried to double cross other bad guys. I am inclined to believe the latter, if only based on first hand experience with the way that Law Enforcement works (or doesn't work) in Mexico.
longeyes
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Just one front, one case of a much larger problem with many aspects.
The point is not really whether the story got mentioned ONCE by several news organs, it's that Natalee Holloway is on Fox EVERY NIGHT, for months. The media cover what they want you to believe is important.
It is obvious that mainstream media do not want Americans to believe that border and illegal immigration problems are page one news, worthy of in-depth reporting and constant coverage. You have to go to little-known websites and blogs to get what's really going on.
billwiese
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This is not a valid news source. Some elements of the story may be true.
However, when they can't even get representative Brian Bilbray's first name correct (they wrote William) then that casts doubt over the whole thing.
Bill Wiese
San Jose CA
However, when they can't even get representative Brian Bilbray's first name correct (they wrote William) then that casts doubt over the whole thing.
Bill Wiese
San Jose CA
longeyes
member
how about Reuters & AP? legit?
Policemen beheaded in Mexico border city of Tijuana
22 Jun 2006 01:24:31 GMT
Source: Reuters
TIJUANA, Mexico, June 21 (Reuters) - Three police officers and a fourth man were decapitated in the drug-plagued Mexican city of Tijuana on the U.S. border, their heads and bodies dumped miles (km) apart, authorities said on Wednesday.
Police found the heads of three municipal policemen and a man identified only as a friend of one of the officers in plastic bags under a Tijuana bridge hours after their corpses turned up in the outlying district of Rosarito, said Jaime Niebla, a senior Tijuana police official. The city is near San Diego.
Rosarito's police chief, Valente Montijo, citing witnesses, said men in federal police uniforms attacked the victims.
The killings were the latest in a spate of police killings along the U.S. border in recent months. Officers often collude with drug traffickers, and shootouts between members of different police forces are common.
Drug violence has been rife along the border since President Vicente Fox declared "the mother of all battles" on drug cartels in January 2005 and sent hundreds of troops and federal police to border cities.
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Mexico questions 6 in police, civilian beheadings
Police showed up after kidnap report; say drug cartel behind killings
Friday, June 23, 2006; Posted: 8:52 a.m. EDT (12:52 GMT)
SAN DIEGO, California (AP) -- Mexican authorities are questioning six people they believe are linked to or have information on this week's decapitation murders of three police officers and a civilian in Rosarito Beach, according to the Baja California, Mexico, attorney general's office.
Police officers Ismael Arellano Torres, 36; Jesus Hernandez Ballesteros, 42; and Benjamén Fabian Ventura, 35; were killed after a large group of armed men -- possibly as many as 100 -- surrounded their cars Tuesday night in a remote part of the city, about 15 miles (24 kilometers) south of the U.S.-Mexico border, authorities said.
The officers were responding to a report of a possible kidnapping.
The mutilated bodies of the three officers and an unidentified civilian wrapped in blankets bound with tape were discovered Wednesday morning in an empty lot, police said. Police later located the four heads in the border city of Tijuana, across from San Diego.
'Drug war frenzy'
Experts said the attack bears the trademark of killings committed by increasingly violent drug cartels that are battling to control key smuggling routes.
"It's a disturbing manifestation of the latest drug war frenzy. The militarization of the drug war in many ways on the side of law enforcement has corresponded with the militarization of tactics and personnel on the criminal side," said David Shirk, director of the Trans-Border Institute at the University of San Diego.
A witness told police that about 100 men, some wearing uniforms resembling those of Mexico's Federal Agency of Investigation, or AFI, were at the scene of the alleged kidnapping when the officers showed up, said a spokesman with the attorney general's office in the state of Baja California, where Rosarito is located. The person asked not to be identified because he is not allowed to publicly discuss the investigation.
The federal attorney general's office in Baja California said in a press release that no officers were involved in the disappearance of the four men. The office said it has opened an investigation to determine who the men impersonating AFI agents were.
Latest of similar attacks
The Rosarito killings are the latest in a series of attacks on law enforcement officials by suspected drug traffickers, who have formed large squads of heavily armed assailants.
Last month, three men armed with AK-47s burst into the Mexican federal attorney general's office in Tijuana and shot two agents, killing one.
In April, nearly two dozen heavily armed men tried to assassinate Baja California's top-ranking public safety official on a Mexicali street.
In December, gunmen attacked the Tijuana home of a state police commander and killed two of his bodyguards.
And in October, gunmen fired more than 50 bullets at the car of Tijuana's homicide chief in an unsuccessful assassination attempt.
Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
Policemen beheaded in Mexico border city of Tijuana
22 Jun 2006 01:24:31 GMT
Source: Reuters
TIJUANA, Mexico, June 21 (Reuters) - Three police officers and a fourth man were decapitated in the drug-plagued Mexican city of Tijuana on the U.S. border, their heads and bodies dumped miles (km) apart, authorities said on Wednesday.
Police found the heads of three municipal policemen and a man identified only as a friend of one of the officers in plastic bags under a Tijuana bridge hours after their corpses turned up in the outlying district of Rosarito, said Jaime Niebla, a senior Tijuana police official. The city is near San Diego.
Rosarito's police chief, Valente Montijo, citing witnesses, said men in federal police uniforms attacked the victims.
The killings were the latest in a spate of police killings along the U.S. border in recent months. Officers often collude with drug traffickers, and shootouts between members of different police forces are common.
Drug violence has been rife along the border since President Vicente Fox declared "the mother of all battles" on drug cartels in January 2005 and sent hundreds of troops and federal police to border cities.
***
Mexico questions 6 in police, civilian beheadings
Police showed up after kidnap report; say drug cartel behind killings
Friday, June 23, 2006; Posted: 8:52 a.m. EDT (12:52 GMT)
SAN DIEGO, California (AP) -- Mexican authorities are questioning six people they believe are linked to or have information on this week's decapitation murders of three police officers and a civilian in Rosarito Beach, according to the Baja California, Mexico, attorney general's office.
Police officers Ismael Arellano Torres, 36; Jesus Hernandez Ballesteros, 42; and Benjamén Fabian Ventura, 35; were killed after a large group of armed men -- possibly as many as 100 -- surrounded their cars Tuesday night in a remote part of the city, about 15 miles (24 kilometers) south of the U.S.-Mexico border, authorities said.
The officers were responding to a report of a possible kidnapping.
The mutilated bodies of the three officers and an unidentified civilian wrapped in blankets bound with tape were discovered Wednesday morning in an empty lot, police said. Police later located the four heads in the border city of Tijuana, across from San Diego.
'Drug war frenzy'
Experts said the attack bears the trademark of killings committed by increasingly violent drug cartels that are battling to control key smuggling routes.
"It's a disturbing manifestation of the latest drug war frenzy. The militarization of the drug war in many ways on the side of law enforcement has corresponded with the militarization of tactics and personnel on the criminal side," said David Shirk, director of the Trans-Border Institute at the University of San Diego.
A witness told police that about 100 men, some wearing uniforms resembling those of Mexico's Federal Agency of Investigation, or AFI, were at the scene of the alleged kidnapping when the officers showed up, said a spokesman with the attorney general's office in the state of Baja California, where Rosarito is located. The person asked not to be identified because he is not allowed to publicly discuss the investigation.
The federal attorney general's office in Baja California said in a press release that no officers were involved in the disappearance of the four men. The office said it has opened an investigation to determine who the men impersonating AFI agents were.
Latest of similar attacks
The Rosarito killings are the latest in a series of attacks on law enforcement officials by suspected drug traffickers, who have formed large squads of heavily armed assailants.
Last month, three men armed with AK-47s burst into the Mexican federal attorney general's office in Tijuana and shot two agents, killing one.
In April, nearly two dozen heavily armed men tried to assassinate Baja California's top-ranking public safety official on a Mexicali street.
In December, gunmen attacked the Tijuana home of a state police commander and killed two of his bodyguards.
And in October, gunmen fired more than 50 bullets at the car of Tijuana's homicide chief in an unsuccessful assassination attempt.
Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
billwiese
Member
But those weren't US (San Diego) cops as I believe it was originally touted.
Yes, this is expected conduct for Mexico. I don't know why this is so startling?
Bill W
San Jose
Yes, this is expected conduct for Mexico. I don't know why this is so startling?
Bill W
San Jose
longeyes
member
No, just law enforcement officers. What affects narco-culture in the Tijuana orbit affects San Diego and north.
Whether it's SOP there remains to be seen. Rosarito Beach used to be thought of as a rather idyllic spot, good for romantic excursions, honeymoon trips, etc.
But as with many things these days I'll guess we'll have to see heads rolling down Hollywood Blvd. before anyone puts down his latte and says, "What the f---?"
Whether it's SOP there remains to be seen. Rosarito Beach used to be thought of as a rather idyllic spot, good for romantic excursions, honeymoon trips, etc.
But as with many things these days I'll guess we'll have to see heads rolling down Hollywood Blvd. before anyone puts down his latte and says, "What the f---?"
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