Archaic Weapon
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I believe that that is a Martini Henri, the falling block. Brits and Zulus and all that. Nice rifle.
lets have a little bayonet fun
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AethelstanAegen
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+1,000,000 There's really no excuse to not buy one from the CMP...you can get one in great shape and they'll be a heck of a lot cheaper than elsewhere. They also have bayonets available.
Deus Machina
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I'm sad that I have to hold onto all my available money for a while.
I've wanted an M1 for a long time now.
Now I want one with a bayonet that would be at home with a tower shield as much as with a rifle.
I've wanted an M1 for a long time now.
Now I want one with a bayonet that would be at home with a tower shield as much as with a rifle.
Archaic Weapon
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I have been wanting to get my hands on an m1 carbine for years. I just happen to live in one of those areas that doesn't have any clubs or shooting events to help out with any of that. The CMP got me thinking about it.
To the point that the official Louisiana Shooting Society tells my 1/4 of the state to go find someplace in Mississippi to go shoot at.
To the point that the official Louisiana Shooting Society tells my 1/4 of the state to go find someplace in Mississippi to go shoot at.
kBob
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The proper command is:
"Prepare to Fix Bayonets (Wait several beats) FIX! (wait one beat) BAYONETS!"
Do a search of the rifle board for "affix" and you will find a March 1, 2013 there called "affix bayonets" THR won't let me repost what I have posted there.
During the training of Combat arms officers if everything is going well it was common in my experience for the instructors to start piling on one dang thing after another until eventually the correct answer for the cadet or butter bar is "Prepare to fix bayonets.........."
When I was in high school a couple of my instructors had direct personal experience with the use of the bayonet in WWII and Korea. As a result, they thought bayonet drill was important.
In all my "real Army" training it was not so heavily stressed though in both Basic training and Advanced individual (Infantry) training they certainly got mentioned and some little coverage. The thought seemed to be that with a select fire rifle with 20 to 30 round magazines the bayonet would not be needed and that folks would instinctively know how to use one.
Oddly when "fencing" with folks that had had the "instinctive" based training either with pugil sticks or sheathed blades or bare muzzle, I generally won
using the old by the numbers "junk".
That junk was similar to katas practiced by martial artist, repeated until when it is needed there is muscle memory at play. Action beats reaction almost every time. Time however was the issue it was decided there was not time available in training to "waste" on a skill not likely to be needed as say "customs and curtesies of the Army" or whatever.
I thought it interesting that during the late '60's and early 70's while the US Army was de emphasizing bayonet training that the Red Chinese and North Koreans were emphasizing it in response to their experiences with bayonet fighting against US forces in Korea.
"What's the Spirit of the bayonet?"
-kBob
"Prepare to Fix Bayonets (Wait several beats) FIX! (wait one beat) BAYONETS!"
Do a search of the rifle board for "affix" and you will find a March 1, 2013 there called "affix bayonets" THR won't let me repost what I have posted there.
During the training of Combat arms officers if everything is going well it was common in my experience for the instructors to start piling on one dang thing after another until eventually the correct answer for the cadet or butter bar is "Prepare to fix bayonets.........."
When I was in high school a couple of my instructors had direct personal experience with the use of the bayonet in WWII and Korea. As a result, they thought bayonet drill was important.
In all my "real Army" training it was not so heavily stressed though in both Basic training and Advanced individual (Infantry) training they certainly got mentioned and some little coverage. The thought seemed to be that with a select fire rifle with 20 to 30 round magazines the bayonet would not be needed and that folks would instinctively know how to use one.
Oddly when "fencing" with folks that had had the "instinctive" based training either with pugil sticks or sheathed blades or bare muzzle, I generally won
using the old by the numbers "junk".
That junk was similar to katas practiced by martial artist, repeated until when it is needed there is muscle memory at play. Action beats reaction almost every time. Time however was the issue it was decided there was not time available in training to "waste" on a skill not likely to be needed as say "customs and curtesies of the Army" or whatever.
I thought it interesting that during the late '60's and early 70's while the US Army was de emphasizing bayonet training that the Red Chinese and North Koreans were emphasizing it in response to their experiences with bayonet fighting against US forces in Korea.
"What's the Spirit of the bayonet?"
-kBob
Devonai
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kBob, did you join after they did away with the bayonet assault course? That was one of the few truly enjoyable days at Fort Benning for me (2005). I still can't believe they did away with it.
kBob
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Devoni,
Nope. They brought it back after I got out the second time....finally. In the late 1960s with the push to get folks through and 'priorities' being set on other things bayonet fighting was deemphasized to the point that when the 1971 (IIRC) Combatives manual came out there was this new Quick and the dead instinctive bayonet fighting featured instead of the older by the numbers kata style. Even in Tigerland at Ft. Polk the bayonet assault course was growing weds in the early 1970's.
My Infantry unit was getting people by 1975 that did not even no how to mount a bayonet on an M-16A1. No Joke. I had to teach them. This was at the height of the then new VOLAR (Modern Volunteer Army) where the Army was changing gears from a draft based out fit to all volunteer. We got a nice desk and padded chair for each 2 to 4 men in our rooms, were not allowed to make bunk beds in garrison, we were allowed out the gate in civies with no bed check or even Sunday evening formation and got adventure training. How being allowed to wear a civilian sweater during mountain training differed from mountain training in uniform and rated the term Adventure Training I am still not certain of. The desks took up valuable floor space and not bunking the beds did as well to the point there was barely room to walk between the beds.
Oddly at combat alert sites we lived in bunked beds and never saw a desk and got along just fine.
-kBob
Nope. They brought it back after I got out the second time....finally. In the late 1960s with the push to get folks through and 'priorities' being set on other things bayonet fighting was deemphasized to the point that when the 1971 (IIRC) Combatives manual came out there was this new Quick and the dead instinctive bayonet fighting featured instead of the older by the numbers kata style. Even in Tigerland at Ft. Polk the bayonet assault course was growing weds in the early 1970's.
My Infantry unit was getting people by 1975 that did not even no how to mount a bayonet on an M-16A1. No Joke. I had to teach them. This was at the height of the then new VOLAR (Modern Volunteer Army) where the Army was changing gears from a draft based out fit to all volunteer. We got a nice desk and padded chair for each 2 to 4 men in our rooms, were not allowed to make bunk beds in garrison, we were allowed out the gate in civies with no bed check or even Sunday evening formation and got adventure training. How being allowed to wear a civilian sweater during mountain training differed from mountain training in uniform and rated the term Adventure Training I am still not certain of. The desks took up valuable floor space and not bunking the beds did as well to the point there was barely room to walk between the beds.
Oddly at combat alert sites we lived in bunked beds and never saw a desk and got along just fine.
-kBob
7mmsavage
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Wish I had a better pic of just the bayonet handy, but this is my 1941 K31 with matching serial # bayonet. The bayonets are just as finely crafted as their rifles.
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tahoe2
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CapnMac
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For a while, i did not have enough bayonets for all the scabbards; now, I've more bayonets than arms to mount them upon <curse this false recovery>
I still have this pair, if in storage--it's my reminder of just how bad, bad can get. It's a Paris-Dunn Nr. 1 Trainer (metal parts are limited to bands, trigger & guard, & sights; the rest is wood) and a USN Mk I with plastic blade & guard with Mk II scabbard.
Below is my all-1943-dated LBE, which has a USN Mk II scabbard for that UFH bayonet. I've got a '43 date 1903A3 to go with this, just no photo.
This is my Garand rig, in Pacific-issue fit. The Garand was sold to make a mortgage payment.
And, a carbine rig; the bayonet is on a KW-era belt in this photo. Carbine went to a good home so i could make a mortgage payment. On the left, on the pistol belt below, is a USN Mk 1 Knife, which is Camilus, IIRC
And, one of my faves, my M-61 M-14 rigged LBE--that belt has the very-rare roll-up M-14 cleaning kit. Sadly, the M1A helped make a mortgage payment; but i have the web gear and mags.
I've got an M5 KW-era Garand bayonet, and a range of M8A1 scabbards on the appropriate LBE. I've a pair of M7 AR bayonets, along with an M9 with the kitchen-sink scabbard. I had a another reminder of expediency, an M1905 cut down to 10" M-1 bayonet, but, it found a better home than mine.
In '94, I was at the range, and was approached by a newsie on the soon-to-be enacted Federal AWB. He started from the usual sorts of preconceived biases all-too-common to the Fourth Estate. He was cutting into my range time and it was getting dark, so, I asked him a question--was he sure he knew what an "assault weapon" looked like. I showed him the 1903A3; he shrugged a bit. When I clicked that 16" of Union Fork & Hoe steel on the end, he goggled a bit (Lil' Orphan Annie eyes). I did not offer to demonstrate the manual of Arms with Bayonet--not under the overhead; and he suddenly had to get back to the newsroom. Such is life.
I still have this pair, if in storage--it's my reminder of just how bad, bad can get. It's a Paris-Dunn Nr. 1 Trainer (metal parts are limited to bands, trigger & guard, & sights; the rest is wood) and a USN Mk I with plastic blade & guard with Mk II scabbard.
Below is my all-1943-dated LBE, which has a USN Mk II scabbard for that UFH bayonet. I've got a '43 date 1903A3 to go with this, just no photo.
This is my Garand rig, in Pacific-issue fit. The Garand was sold to make a mortgage payment.
And, a carbine rig; the bayonet is on a KW-era belt in this photo. Carbine went to a good home so i could make a mortgage payment. On the left, on the pistol belt below, is a USN Mk 1 Knife, which is Camilus, IIRC
And, one of my faves, my M-61 M-14 rigged LBE--that belt has the very-rare roll-up M-14 cleaning kit. Sadly, the M1A helped make a mortgage payment; but i have the web gear and mags.
I've got an M5 KW-era Garand bayonet, and a range of M8A1 scabbards on the appropriate LBE. I've a pair of M7 AR bayonets, along with an M9 with the kitchen-sink scabbard. I had a another reminder of expediency, an M1905 cut down to 10" M-1 bayonet, but, it found a better home than mine.
In '94, I was at the range, and was approached by a newsie on the soon-to-be enacted Federal AWB. He started from the usual sorts of preconceived biases all-too-common to the Fourth Estate. He was cutting into my range time and it was getting dark, so, I asked him a question--was he sure he knew what an "assault weapon" looked like. I showed him the 1903A3; he shrugged a bit. When I clicked that 16" of Union Fork & Hoe steel on the end, he goggled a bit (Lil' Orphan Annie eyes). I did not offer to demonstrate the manual of Arms with Bayonet--not under the overhead; and he suddenly had to get back to the newsroom. Such is life.
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carbine85
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I'm diggin on that Winchester. Is that original or restored? Awesome either way.
krinko
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BSA No7, for the Sten MkV---though also usable on the No4 rifle.
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Devonai
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That is a gorgeous specimen, Krinko! It makes me regret selling my No. 4 Mk 1 that much more.
MTMilitiaman
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Highpower, thank you!
I always thought that a bayonet on a rifle was sort of an admition of defeat--if you have a rifle and the enemy gets close enough to use a pointed stick, you've kind of already failed. But I've always thought the bayonet on the shotgun made alot more since. The ol Winny with the bayonet is a beast! I have a Mossberg 590 with a bayonet lug and the next fixed blade knife I get is going to be the Marine Corp bayonet for it. Nothing screams 'prepare to repel borders' like a 12 gauge with a bayonet...
The only bayonet I have right now is the one that came on my Yugo SKS:
I always thought that a bayonet on a rifle was sort of an admition of defeat--if you have a rifle and the enemy gets close enough to use a pointed stick, you've kind of already failed. But I've always thought the bayonet on the shotgun made alot more since. The ol Winny with the bayonet is a beast! I have a Mossberg 590 with a bayonet lug and the next fixed blade knife I get is going to be the Marine Corp bayonet for it. Nothing screams 'prepare to repel borders' like a 12 gauge with a bayonet...
The only bayonet I have right now is the one that came on my Yugo SKS:
M2 Carbine
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The USMC gave me this bayonet in 1956.
My uncle brought this one home some time in the late 1940's. He was in the Navy and the bayonet is marked US Navy.
My uncle brought this one home some time in the late 1940's. He was in the Navy and the bayonet is marked US Navy.
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