Letter to a metal detector company

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I wanted to get this letter posted ASAP so it can be commented on. Later on tonight, I'll post a picture of the offending advertisement.

Charles Garrett, President & CEO
Garrett Metal Detectors
1881 West State Street
Garland, Texas 75042-6797


Dear Mr. Garrett:

I am writing to alert you to objectionable content in an advertisement for your company, which appeared on page 80 of the February 2007 issue of Security Products Magazine. A copy of the advertisement is enclosed for your reference. In the advertisement, the text states “Metal detectors don’t belong on school campuses, but neither do guns, knives and other potentially harmful weapons.”

While it is true that some states prohibit the possession of weapons on school premises, some do not. In fact, several states specifically exempt from the prohibition those who have been licensed to carry concealed weapons, or those who have been authorized by the head of the particular educational institution. And in September of last year the University of Utah lost a case before the Utah Supreme Court concerning its policy on prohibiting weapons on campus. The court stated the University’s policy was in conflict with state law establishing the system of concealed carry permits.

Furthermore, there have been incidents in recent years in which armed students or teachers have stopped criminal attacks while on school grounds. In 1997 the Principal at Pearl High School in Mississippi used his .45 ACP pistol to stop a student who was shooting other students with a deer rifle. In 2002, two armed students stopped an assailant at Appalachian School of Law in Virginia. What is indisputable in these examples is that if not for the heroic actions of the armed, law abiding members of their respective schools, the carnage would have been much worse.

It is in the context of these examples that I point out the inappropriateness of your advertisement. I realize you are in business to make money, and to do that you must use advertising to appeal to customers. But there are ethical ways to do it. Making blanket statements against weapons in schools is not one of them. Rather, such statements detract from reasoned debate on the issue of school violence and perpetuate a culture of ignorance and fear mongering. For your company to profit at such an expense is socially irresponsible at best.

I have posted a copy of this letter to a nationally known web forum, www.thehighroad.org, which is read by many law-abiding weapons owners. I am requesting you write to assure me your company will not engage in the same objectionable marketing practices in the future. To do so would be conducive to maintaining a positive public image for your company.



Sincerely,
Michael L. Bane
 
Yup. Keeping the children safe by rendering them defenseless. Nice plan.... (Bet they didn't borrow it from the Israelis.)

Back when I went to high school, we brought our shotguns with us on the bus, kept them in our lockers all day, and went hunting after class. I don' recall any one of us ever going on a shooting spree.... Guess times have changed.

Not all change is for the better and not all progress is forward.

When enough blood has been shed in our schools, attitudes and perceptions concerning defense will change. (Kind of like....when there are enough fatal crashes at a given intersection, traffic control devices will be installed...) Hmm.
NailGun.
 
Which states allow you to carry guns onto school grounds? I know my state allows you to keep your gun if you have a ccw when you go to the parking lot to pick up your kid, but you're still not allowed into the actual school.
 
UT - ccw may pack in school
Unless school is private and specifically prohibiy guns (aka run by idiots)
in which case (if caught AND refusing to leave AND police is called)
you might get a thresspassing charge.
NOTE: it will not be a "gun-related offence", the private property owner
may ask you to leave for whatever reason (You are UGLY!:rolleyes: )
and in case you refuse to leave AND police is called - same thresspassing
 
Follow-up letter to metal detector company

April 26, 2007

Charles Garrett, President & CEO
Garrett Metal Detectors
1881 West State Street
Garland, Texas 75042-6797

Dear Mr. Garrett:

On February 9, 2007, I wrote you a letter concerning objectionable content in an advertisement for your company, which appeared on page 80 of the February 2007 issue of Security Products Magazine. A copy of the advertisement was enclosed with that letter for your reference.

As of this date, I have not received a response from you. It is my desire that communications with you in regards to this manner remain amicable. However, enough time has passed since my original letter to you that your failure to respond to me could be construed as being intentional.

In order to avoid your company being reported to the Texas Attorney General’s Office for deceptive trade practices, I am requesting that you resolve this matter promptly by writing to inform me that you have complied with the requests for corrective action as outlined in my original letter.


Sincerely,
Michael L. Bane
 
In order to avoid your company being reported to the Texas Attorney General’s Office for deceptive trade practices, I am requesting that you resolve this matter promptly by writing to inform me that you have complied with the requests for corrective action as outlined in my original letter.

Garrett's in-house counsel is likely getting a hearty laugh out of your letter, as theres not a thing the Texas AG can do. Possession of firearms within educational institutions, both public and private, is illegal in TX... even by CHL holders.

I agree with your argument, but you're going about it all wrong.
 
As of this date, I have not received a response from you. It is my desire that communications with you in regards to this manner remain amicable. However, enough time has passed since my original letter to you that your failure to respond to me could be construed as being intentional.
Most CEO types don't respond to badgering (and there's a good chance he never actually saw the letter in the first place).

In order to avoid your company being reported to the Texas Attorney General’s Office for deceptive trade practices...
I'm afraid that in the eyes of the company you just went from "concerned citizen" to "kook" with that line. No they were never likely to respond to you, but now they won't even consider your position at all. :(

I think your best bet would have been to post here about the original letter back when you sent it, then occasionally add to the thread "Nope ... still haven't heard from him." and left it at that (maybe got some of us to write letters too).

I'm with Grant48 on this, I too agree with your original argument, but there's being right and then there's being effective.


But not in every other state. Therefore, it's misleading and deceptive advertising as far as I'm concerned...
No, “Metal detectors don’t belong on school campuses, but neither do guns, knives and other potentially harmful weapons.” is not a statement of fact or law, its nothing more than an opinion.
 
But not in every other state. Therefore, it's misleading and deceptive advertising as far as I'm concerned...

Thats my point. Since its not a question of Texas law, theres nothing the Texas AG can do. Another state (where possession is legal) would have to initiate proceedings... if you insist on going down that road.
 
Thats my point. Since its not a question of Texas law, theres nothing the Texas AG can do. Another state (where possession is legal) would have to initiate proceedings... if you insist on going down that road.

My take is that since they had to approve the ad, it originated in Texas.

Well, we will see if they respond.
 
Did you realistically expect a response?

Your letter was shredded by the first secretary or intern who read it.

You are not their customer base so the do NOT CARE.

Don't abuse yourself this way go shoot a few mags go home and have a couple of cold ones so you will not go nuts with these types. Life will feel better.
 
It wouldn't be so bad if their metal detectors actually worked on the weapons they claim "guns, knives and other harmful weapons". Effective guns can be made that avoid metal detectors, knives are easy - and I bet they have nothing that will detect a sock full of sand.

Garret's claims for protection are BS. That's where the lawsuit should be.
 
My take is that since they had to approve the ad, it originated in Texas.
I've been in advertising for years ... I don't recall sending one single ad proof to the Attorney General of ANY state I've lived in to get their "approval" :scrutiny:
(hell, I have a hard enough time getting the darn CLIENTS to sign off on their proofs)
 
Why not just strip search everyone who enters the campus, frisk them often, toss student rooms on a daily basis, and confine them to their rooms between classes. Trained dogs could be used to sniff out any contraband, and guards could patrol while slapping their batons against their boots.

Properly equipped vans could triangulate illegal transmissions. Library books and other reading could be stored in databases with appropriate filters to catch anyone who might be thinking violent thoughts. Monitors placed surrepetitiously on the university's networks to intercept students who post violent photos or make other unacceptable communications.

Lots of things can be done in the vein proposed by Mr. Garrett. After all, these are university campuses.
 
So michaelbane, still no response to your tattletail extortion? Threatening to report Garrett to the Texas AG for expressing an opinion you don't like, not in violation of Texas law is a bit silly, don't you think? If you think the ad is deceptive in some other state, reporting it to the Texas AG who has no jurisdiction in the other state, isn't helping your position.

Give it your best shot, but as noted, the opinion expressed isn't a deceptive trade practice. There is no misrepresentation of their product, other products, or the law.

If you think it is truly deceptive, specifically what laws are being broken and what specific part(s) of the ad violate the law and in what manner? Companies offer all sorts of opinions in their ads all the time. The Garrett opinion is tame compared to others. If Garrett's ad is deceptive, then so too are many gun ads. You don't seem to upset by them. Why not?
 
Metal detectors don’t belong on school campuses, but neither do guns, knives and other potentially harmful weapons.”
Personally I see nothing wrong with that statement
Guns do not belong in the hands of HS students on school grounds.

The statement made in the ad is a generalized statement designed to fit the confines of a print ad and in general the statement has merit.

If certain authorized people were allowed to carry on campus there could certainly be exceptions ,made to a general rule.

The photo in the ad looks to be of high school aged students, does anyone here advocate unfettered access to firearms for high schoolers while on campus?
 
I agree with the comments of Joab. I don't really have a problem with the idea that "guns don't belong in schools". The company is making a general statement, and in general that is true. In the majority of schools, students should not be carrying weapons because they are too young to legaly do so. Even in colleges, most students are too young to legally carry a firearm.

Keeping the children safe by rendering them defenseless.

So do you think we should arm kindertgarten students?
 
So michaelbane, still no response to your tattletail extortion?

If you had looked at the date on my letter, you would see there hasn't been enough time for a response. Be more careful with your facts in the future. And also with your spelling. It's tattletale.

And what's with your stooping to that type of statement? Hardly the high road. Other posters have disagreed with what I wrote, but gave constructive criticism. Is there some other reason you're critical of my letter that you're not telling us about?
 
Wow, this is getting ugly. Micahelbane is actually contacting people and displaying a good deal of activism and all you do is hound him.

Besides, it's in Garrett's best interests that this country remain plagued with scum, goblins, and crime. If we lived in a Utopia, Garrett would not be necessary.
 
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