leupold mk 4 rifle scope for remington 700
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P.B.Walsh
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I voted for the TMR reticle because it looks like there is a bit more visibility with this reticle.
Let me start by saying I'm not bashing Leupold, but I would do some serious research before you make that decision. Leupold has opened several plants in China and won't say what is or is not made there. Spent several hours on several phone calls with them and felt like I was getting the run around. The most telling thing for me was looking at a MK4 8.5-25x50 or 56 with a price tag of 1700.00 and there is no marking on it as to where it is made, Mark 4 is no longer on bottom of turret just a sticker covering the purge port that says Leupold Mark 4. All of the MK4's in the case were the same. I own a MK4 that is about 14 yrs. old never given me a problem, it has Mark 4 and Made in U.S.A plainly engraved on bottom of turret. Just seems odd that companys big selling point is made in U.S.A. and new high end scopes have no marking as to origin. Just too many questions to risk that kinda cash, IMO. Don't take my word for it, go look, you'll get sick to your stomach.
Why not get some self-education.
Mil-dot stands for milliradian (it is not short for military) and is used to calculate range distance when you have a target or point of reference of known height. You use math to do the calculations. It is a skill that takes training, practice and perseverence. It isn't a casual thing to do.
Tactical milling expands the ranging capability of the mil-dot paradigm for increased precision, accuracy and speed.
Do your own in-depth research on both mil-dot and TMR. You may find one that's better for you, or you may find that both are useless to you. You have to make the judgement based on your own knowledge and intended use, but you can't judge until you learn more.
Mil-dot stands for milliradian (it is not short for military) and is used to calculate range distance when you have a target or point of reference of known height. You use math to do the calculations. It is a skill that takes training, practice and perseverence. It isn't a casual thing to do.
Tactical milling expands the ranging capability of the mil-dot paradigm for increased precision, accuracy and speed.
Do your own in-depth research on both mil-dot and TMR. You may find one that's better for you, or you may find that both are useless to you. You have to make the judgement based on your own knowledge and intended use, but you can't judge until you learn more.
USSR
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Actually, in the real world, mildots are seldom used for ranging (that's what we have laser rangefinders for). What mildots are used for is holding off, usually for wind, but sometimes for elevation when you need to take a quick shot and don't have time to dial in for distance.
Don
P.B.Walsh
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Well IMHO, if you have a lazer range finder, then I belive that a duplex type reticle would be best.
My bext scope will probaly be a Nikon 2.5-10x?? with the duplex reticle.
But take my opinions with .5 grain of salt.
My bext scope will probaly be a Nikon 2.5-10x?? with the duplex reticle.
But take my opinions with .5 grain of salt.
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I have the Leupold MK4 4.5-14x50mm with the Tactical Milling Reticle (TMR) I find the TMR an improvement over MilDots due to the more precise hash marks vs. the "dots". Both can be used for ranging and hold overs. I certainly prefer the TMR and see it as an advantage.
http://www2.leupold.com/products/reticles_TMR.htm
Here is mine...
Cameron
http://www2.leupold.com/products/reticles_TMR.htm
Here is mine...
Cameron
Tarvis
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That's what I was thinking. I don't know if Leupold offers milradian turrets, but mixing mil dots with moa knobs creates a math problem.
I use the Mk4 4.5-14 on my 308 w/ the TMR. TMR is was better than std mildot as it uses .5 mils vs 1 mils. THe result is that it allows for more percise ranging at distance.
I disagree with the member that said that Mil dots are not needed with a laser range finder. Even if you don't use the mils to range the mils allow for more accurate turret correction based on point of aim point of impact. Knowing the distance to the target, and the impact point in mils you can easily adjust come -ups to the correct setting.
I disagree with the member that said that Mil dots are not needed with a laser range finder. Even if you don't use the mils to range the mils allow for more accurate turret correction based on point of aim point of impact. Knowing the distance to the target, and the impact point in mils you can easily adjust come -ups to the correct setting.
dullh
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I'm guessing this rifle ain't gonna be used for any serious hunting, just "armchair commando" gaming type stuff? Don't tell me you're going to do any serious hunting with this thing because by the time you get done screwing around with all that information overload your prey will be gone!
Nikon standard "nikoplex" reticle scopes are most certainly at the top of the heap. I have Buckmasters and Monarchs and I love them. Plain old recticles.
So what you gonna use this mil-dot "TMR" setup for anyway? Benchrest? Super high-speed counter-terrorism sniper platoonin'? Bragging rights?
Nikon standard "nikoplex" reticle scopes are most certainly at the top of the heap. I have Buckmasters and Monarchs and I love them. Plain old recticles.
So what you gonna use this mil-dot "TMR" setup for anyway? Benchrest? Super high-speed counter-terrorism sniper platoonin'? Bragging rights?
P.B.Walsh
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You can practic ranging deer with the TMR reticle. But I agree with using the duplex or a clone of the duplex like the nikoplex.
My $.02
My $.02
USSR
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Never said that mildots are not needed with a laser rangefinder. Here is my quote:
As you can see, mildots serve several useful functions. They just are not used primarily for rangefinding purposes, now that we have better options.
Don
Uncle Mike
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I'll have to somewhat agree with dullh... while your screwin' with all those bells and whistles, changing batteries in the calculator and twisting turrets your deer will be someone else deer.
Today's rifle ammo combination's are such that a bit of mental calculation is all that is needed to get off a successful shot.
Say your deer whackin' load drops 6.7" from your 200y zero to 300y, surely you can tell what 7" is on the side of a deer. Just figure 7" on the side of ye old buck and send it.
Today's rifle ammo combination's are such that a bit of mental calculation is all that is needed to get off a successful shot.
Say your deer whackin' load drops 6.7" from your 200y zero to 300y, surely you can tell what 7" is on the side of a deer. Just figure 7" on the side of ye old buck and send it.
P.B.Walsh
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Well, that, or you could range places in the field and use the turrets at known ranges instead of guessing. But my deer can hang around for a minute or two, which is plenty of time IMHO.
dullh
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"But my deer can hang around for a minute or two, which is plenty of time IMHO."
Consider yourself lucky. Down here where I've been going, they won't afford you that kind of time.
Besides, if you really know your rifle, it ain't guessing.
Consider yourself lucky. Down here where I've been going, they won't afford you that kind of time.
Besides, if you really know your rifle, it ain't guessing.
P.B.Walsh
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tućhe dullh.
MAX100
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sprice Post your question @ Sniper Hide Optics Forum. There are more people there who have more knowledge and a lot of experience with precision shooting.
In my opinion the TMR reticle will be the best for ranging and holdover once you learn how to use it.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=19&page=1&PHPSESSID=
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In my opinion the TMR reticle will be the best for ranging and holdover once you learn how to use it.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=19&page=1&PHPSESSID=
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