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It's not totally fair for foreigners to vote on this (should the private ownership of firearms be forbidden, in germany) but since those people do not hesitate to use emotion, lies, and lot's of other stuff to pass their political agenda, I feel better after voting..

http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/waffenrecht100.html

it's a tie ... make them loose.. not THAT usefull, but i'ts always better to show them (the anti) that people care about their freedom.
 
The poll is if private ownership of weapons should be banned completely.

Vote Nein.

And remember to cut-and-paste the address in, not just click on it. It's possible to track where it was linked from.
 
I've translated the text for those interested (note: not a literal translation; certain German expressions have awkward English phrasing when translated literally):

Should private possession of weapons be forbidden?

After the "Amoklauf of Winnenden" (a recent school shooting from what I gather), there is renewed discussion regarding weapon rights. Many assert that weapons are too easily accessible. What do you think? Should the private possession of weapons be completely forbidden?

Poll options:
Yes
No
I don't know/I have no opinion
 
I voted nein, but then thought about it and wished I would have voted ja. Sure we are allies with them now, but why not be the only ones with guns :evil: sure would make winning arguments with other countries easier :D
 
German voters don't exactly enjoy an impressive track record.
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You should know that Hitler gave his life to kill Hitler. :neener:

I think it should also be noted that Hitler strongly supported restrictions on firearms.
 
the fact that the tagesschau is heavy left leaning and they still loose the Poll should tell you how the public actualy thinks about weapons.

i still say that the German Politics had a surpisingly clam reaction to this desaster, so unlike them considering all the good-feel laws and panic reaction they normaly have.
 
Nicht nur nein, sondern Hölle nein!

(Boy, is my German getting rusty after fifty years of disuse.)
 
voted nein then got confused at the bottom. It showed the results so I must have done something right.
 
naaa .. no need to be so agitated and manipulate polls here ;)

I guess Pulse is quite right ... the media does the usual thing after such a tragedy and poses the usual questions (Guns? Videogames?), but the public doesn´t really seem to believe that this problem could be solved so easily.

Also, the actual problem did not arise because of a lack of gun laws, but because the father of the shooter did not follow them. So if anything happens at all after this, I guess it would rather be an increase in police controls than stricter laws. Police is overworked, so nothing will happen at all.
 
the media does the usual thing after such a tragedy and poses the usual questions (Guns? Videogames?), but the public doesn´t really seem to believe that this problem could be solved so easily.
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i diged around in the tagesschau forums now, while some of the responses there are nothing short of insane (one guy blamed the US army for the masacre.. what?!), the general talk is mutch more calm then it was in 2006 and especialy 2002.

ofcourse, there are the ones that put all the blame on firearms, there are others that put all the blame on videogames and some that blame both, but most seem to understand that it is a Social problem that simply will not get fixed by a few knee-jerk laws or more "verbote!"
.... so unlike Germany.. big thumbs up!
 
I voted nein, but then thought about it and wished I would have voted ja. Sure we are allies with them now, but why not be the only ones with guns sure would make winning arguments with other countries easier
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ever read Heinlein's "Results Unsatisfactory?" we don't want that happening with guns.
 
If this poll were in the US we'd be kicking the anti's arses. But this being socialist Germany who btw swooned over Obama's speech of the New World Order, the results are sickening to say the least.
 
There is a sad irony in the fact that half of Germans are for banning the last real instrument capable of checking a tyrannical and murderous government. In spite of their history, I would bet that idea would never even occur to them as a reason for private firearm ownership. And so...the pond ever widens.
 
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I don´t get the irony :confused:

In WW2, virtually every German man was armed - and fighting for his home country. If they had really wanted, these tons and tons of wapons could have been used against the regime. But not enough people wanted to, and that´s a big part of this sad story.

In Eastern Germany, the people got rid of an extremely suppressive and manipulative government without the use of any arms.

Between WW1 and WW2, we had a time in which political groups tried to get rid of opposing groups by fighting them in the streets. This did not go well.

So as long as I and the people I know are concerned - you are quite right Pete, this reason does not occur. Weapons do not seem to be a relevant factor to me when it comes to overthrow governments. I guess this is quite a different mindset - and I wanted to explain why I tend to agree with the majority in Germany.

But to get back on topic - I also think that the actual Shooting could not have been prevented with a stricter gun law, so funny enough, I voted like the majority here :D
 
I believe Hitler supported gun registration for "safety reasons", and didn't allow jews to keep firearms. Although I'm not sure about this, I believe he also supported restrictions on "non-sporting" weapons.

In Eastern Germany, the people got rid of an extremely suppressive and manipulative government without the use of any arms.
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They didn't get rid of it. The Soviets went bankrupt and started to reform. The Soviet's attempt to compete with American military spending is what got rid of it.

Weapons do not seem to be a relevant factor to me when it comes to overthrow governments.
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They actually have, unfortunantly it appears most of the time it results in a tyrant gaining power. The Soviets gained power in the 1910's through a revolution, and the Afghans fought off the soviets. The last revolt I can think of that brought any good to the world was the American revolution. Fortunantly, freedom from tyranny is not the reason I support firearms ownership.
 
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