Load Consolidation

My reloading has always been for rifles only. Load development for several calibers was completed decades ago. None of my selected powders have become obsolete. Along the way i've added a couple new powders and a few bullets. Numerous loads went away. My loads for the .222 and .223 consist of IMR 3031 and nearly any 53 or 55 grain bullet.
 
Single base extruded powders are inherently more accurate because of lower velocity spreads, more stable, and store longer. Inherent because the powder stabilizers are a lot simpler.
I've read that Single base powders store longer, but never heard that they tend to be more accurate.
I have loads for .223 and 6.5 Grendel that are very accurate for me using H335 (double base) and Benchmark (single base). I really like both these powders.

The biggest difference between the single and double base powders:

H335 - $235.79 per 8 lbs.
TAC - $239.99

Benchmark - $ 339.99
H4895 - $339.99
IMR 8208XBR - $327.99 (never in stock!)

Those are todays prices from Powder Valley, $100 more per 8lbs.
 
I went through a stage years ago of trying many different powders and bullets. The experimenting is fun but there was also a lot of waste. I do a lot of research now and try to keep it down to one recipe per caliber now.
If you enjoy the experiment, I contend it's not waste. The puzzle is the fun for me, and half the time I let junior shoot them because he likes that part best....
 
The biggest difference between the single and double base powders:

H335 - $235.79 per 8 lbs.
TAC - $239.99

Benchmark - $ 339.99
H4895 - $339.99
IMR 8208XBR - $327.99 (never in stock!)

Those are todays prices from Powder Valley, $100 more per 8lbs.
Extruded powders are MUCH more expensive to manufacture than spherical (ball) powders. Besides the cost, extruded powder takes longer to make, which means it's even more expensive. Ball powder is inherently less expensive.

One can fit more ball powder than extruded in a given space (cartridge). This generally means more velocity, as shown in the 5.56x45 development.

These two givens are much of the reason the military has shifted to ball powder in basic combat rifle loadings.
 
Supply issues being what they are, I’ve been trying to just work with what I have. I have enough flexibility now to make do with what is available. Consolidation with the 357 Mag will be especially difficult. It will basically shoot anything if I try long enough. It has three true magnum loads and two needle threading target loads. My nines are picky. I have three loads and one specialty load I may never make again.

My frustration comes from rifle loads. I have great loads with no components. I have great loads with components for which I’m no longer willing to pay the asking price. Honestly I just like to tinker. My 30-30 has suffered some odd attempts.
 
I just got tired of chasing different things and started to settle on common components that are known to work well like Varget and 308, 6 CM and H4350, 300 PRC and Retumbo. I really got tired of trying to reinvent the wheel.

I don't think of it so much as reinventing the wheel, rather than trying to perfect it. At my level of handloading, there is a point of diminishing returns trying to pound the last 'inth out of a particular handload, let alone the firearm. Neither my handloading technique, my firearms, nor me as a trigger yanker are at that level. There are a lot of shortcuts in load development... that H4350/6.5MB is one such, for example. The 168rn SMK in the .30's is another. Why fight it?
 
Those are todays prices from Powder Valley, $100 more per 8lbs.

Extruded powders are MUCH more expensive to manufacture than spherical (ball) powders. Besides the cost, extruded powder takes longer to make, which means it's even more expensive. Ball powder is inherently less expensive.

When I was shopping for powder last year, the IMR rifle powders were easily $100 more per 8# than some of the others... it's why I bought an 8# of TAC vs IMR3031. However, H335... a ball powder... was just as expensive as IMR3031... at that time... so I don't know if you can exactly correlate retail costs with production costs. It's one of the reasons I'm not real thrilled about Hodgdon controlling 75%+ of the powder market.


If you enjoy the experiment, I contend it's not waste.

Not at all! You guys that have the time and facility to blow it out on your handloading have my admiration. :)
 
I learned to reload around 2012 or 2013 when powder supplies were really short...so I used what I could find. Then experienced the same during the COVID shortage. I am trying to consolidate, but I also keep buying tried and true powders (H4895, W231) now that they're more available....so some loads I worked up are still sitting around waiting to be shot but I won't make more.

Sigh...now if IMR8082 would just show its head again.
 
If you enjoy the experiment, I contend it's not waste. The puzzle is the fun for me, and half the time I let junior shoot them because he likes that part best....

I concur.

In 3 Months, 10 days, 6hrs, I might be there as I'm retiring again..

So I've been stockpiling components and started more rimfire shooting, bought a couple new .22LRs in preparation. I still think my ADHD will kick in and I'll spend the majority of my shooting time ringing steel, but who knows?
 
I don't think of it so much as reinventing the wheel, rather than trying to perfect it. At my level of handloading, there is a point of diminishing returns trying to pound the last 'inth out of a particular handload, let alone the firearm. Neither my handloading technique, my firearms, nor me as a trigger yanker are at that level. There are a lot of shortcuts in load development... that H4350/6.5MB is one such, for example. The 168rn SMK in the .30's is another. Why fight it?

You hit that right on the head. I think one of the guys Erik Cortina interviewed awhile back said something to the effect of "I do 20 things when I reload, but 10 of them probably dont matter. I dont know which 10 things I could stop doing though". So finding that point of diminishing returns really is the hard part.

I do a good job and have the right tools to reload accurately and consistently, and I feel in most cases my firearms are pretty good to go, so I always consider my relationship with the trigger the weak link!
 
With the component issues of the last couple years I have compiled a large variety of test powders and components and feel the need to reduce them down to a couple of loads per caliber. I’d like a cheap practice load and a higher performance load in each of the calibers I reload. Is this a wise goal or has every reloader tried the same thing and then added back variety later?

Examples
308 Winchester
175 grain SMK/IMR 4064
150 grain FMJ/SW AR Plus

30-30
135 grain Acme/W231
160 grain FTX/LEVERevolution

357 Magnum
158 grain XTP/Alliant 2400
125 grain Gallant/W231


I've been trying to narrow my loads down the same way as you. I've spent a lot of time and $ trying different powders and bullet combos. I've now pretty much figured out that for .223 and .308 TAC or AR Comp are my preferred for both blaster and accuracy loads, RL16 for 6.5 CM, H1000 for 7mm mag, and Sport Pistol or N320(whichever is available) for 9mm. All other calibers I do are low enough volume that 1lb of my preferred powder will last quite a while.
 
After the Obama Shortage, I decided if I was buying a powder I use, I'm buying an 8#er of it. That really helped me through the last shortage...
I had been buying 8# at a time prior to that.

My problem developed this way: a fellow shooter says 'Man, I'm shooting . 003" 50 round targets at 800 yards with my . 843 LongenShooter, using XXX powder. '
Two or 3 others agree that XXX powder is perfect for the 843 LongenShooter.

Well, I've GOT an 843 LongenShooter, I may as well use that powder too! Look! there's an 8# jug! Buy it!

So, I have 8# of this powder, 8# of that (remarkably similar) powder, and another 8# of a third powder, that coincidentally also works fabulously in the old 843. And those 3 powders are essentially interchangeable in this application.

At least I'm set for life when shooting my 843 LongenShooter.
 
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I consolidated all of my rifle (.223, .30-30, and .30/06) to one powder years ago. I am now having to branch back out, cuz anybody seen any H4895 lately?!?
 
I like RL-16 for my 6.5 Creedmoor, but the price has gone through the roof. Last time I bought it, it was $399 for 8 lbs. Recently I saw it in stock for $474 for 8 lbs. I have been buying others to try out because I’m not buying it at that price.

 
Last time I bought it, it was $399 for 8 lbs.

That's one of the reasons I took a serious look at TAC, and finally wound up buying an 8# of it, and if I'd had the money, I would have bought 4. I love me some IMR powders, but cost-wise it doesn't make sense for blasting ammos (think M193 or M80 equivalent in 5.56mm and 7.62mm, respectively.) Now, there are some IMR powders I can't live without... IMR4198 and IMR4227, for example... so I pay the money, but I think there are some concessions I can make elsewhere, for sure. I don't know if I could pay $400 for 8# of powder, however.
 
So, I have 8# of this powder, 8# of that (remarkably similar) powder, and another 8# of a third powder

If I'm test driving a new powder, I get a 1#er of it... and thank goodness, otherwise I'd have big jugs of BE-86, SportPistol, W244, IMR4451, and some other crappy powders I now have no use for. As it is, I'm stuck with the leftovers of those in 1# cans, from my last testing binge. It drives me batty... seeing stuff I don't use on the reloading bench. It's just the way I am.
 
Charlie98, what didn't you like about BE-86? Curious, thanks.

It did not work well for me, in the use that I had selected it for... which was loading mid-weight projectiles in 9mm and .45ACP, fired in short barrels, as a replacement for Unique.

In 9mm, with 124grn bullets, I actually hit a velocity threshold where it plateaued, and more powder did not add any velocity. Further, it did not burn well... other than dumping half-burnt powder on my arm and face. That very well may have been a byproduct of the short barrel... 3.1" and 3.6" in the 9mm Kahrs.

It worked well enough in the 200grn .45ACP loads I worked up, for my 4" Kimbers, but nothing earth shattering. Oddly enough, the POI changed significantly over my standard load of Unique.

Scratching my head over the performance there, I went ahead and loaded up some in .45 Colt... for my 5.5" Vaquero, and my 16" H&R. It did better there, I'm guessing because of the longer barrel, and perhaps the heavier bullets, and in fact turned in some pretty consistent velocity numbers.

At the end of the day, BE-86 did nothing that Unique wasn't already doing with ease, and, like SportPistol and W244, BE-86 required far more tinkering with the load to get acceptable performance... in my use case. The suggesting that 'BE-86 is the new Unique' is not really true... not in how it performs, not in how it handles different variables.
 
Extruded powders are MUCH more expensive to manufacture than spherical (ball) powders. Besides the cost, extruded powder takes longer to make, which means it's even more expensive. Ball powder is inherently less expensive.

One can fit more ball powder than extruded in a given space (cartridge). This generally means more velocity, as shown in the 5.56x45 development.

These two givens are much of the reason the military has shifted to ball powder in basic combat rifle loadings.
Thank you for this explanation! I never really knew the reason for the price difference.
 
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