Locking doors when pulled over

[heeler]

Hey Dean,in 1986 since cell phones really were not around and most people did not drive around with TAPE recorders or bulky Sony Cam corders and even if they did at that time of the previous century it's quite doubtful they would have tolerated you recording the conversation between them and you.
Today there's not much I guess they could do about it even if they knew it was happening as so many people have that capability built into tiny cell phones.
Not so 25 years ago.

 

[GreyCoupe]

I am primarily a lurker here, and I am not an attorney, but it seems to me there may be a privacy issue being ignored.

Why would one's carry information be shared with driver's license information? Would not the blending of that information infringe on my privacy, absent justifiable reason to access it?

 

[Deanimator]

Hey Dean,in 1986 since cell phones really were not around and most people did not drive around with TAPE recorders or bulky Sony Cam corders and even if they did at that time of the previous century it's quite doubtful they would have tolerated you recording the conversation between them and you.
Today there's not much I guess they could do about it even if they knew it was happening as so many people have that capability built into tiny cell phones.
Not so 25 years ago.

I didn't expect you to use technology that didn't exist.

I'm just saying that there's no GOOD reason not to NOW.

The only people I see TODAY who don't want police interactions recorded are either dirty cops or supporters of dirty cops.

 

[heeler]

Not trying to derail the thread but since we are on recording the police we had a couple of brothers filming the police raiding a house next door to them just a few years ago and the police took great issue them doing so and arrested them.
Later the city of Houston paid out millions to them in a suit.

 

[Deanimator]

Not trying to derail the thread but since we are on recording the police we had a couple of brothers filming the police raiding a house next door to them just a few years ago and the police took great issue them doing so and arrested them.
Later the city of Houston paid out millions to them in a suit.

That is the trend nationwide, when non-intrusive recording is interfered with.

Locally, an Akron cop tried that, arresting a woman for filming an arrest AGAINST ORDERS. He got (as I recall) 45 days without pay and he and the city are still being sued.

Even in places like Maryland, bans on public recording of public employees on the job are on VERY thin ice.

 

[robhof]

It never ceases to amaze me that many cops get taken down by their own cameras, seems they need a class in; If the camera is on You are being filmed. In most depts. the camera is automatic and control of it is out of the operators hands. Damaged recordings or voids are almost always grounds for dept settlements in favor of the victim.

 

[Owen Sparks]

What if something was wrong with your window and it would not roll down? (mine was broken for a while and would stick if I rolled down) One option is when you pull over leave the window rolled up but turn off the ignition and remove the keys, stick them in your shirt pocket, open the door and push the lock button. That way when the officer approaches you are still sitting in your car and still buckled up with your hands on the wheel and the keys in your shirt pocket. If you are asked to step out of the car do so and shut the pre locked door behind you.

 

[Mike1234567]

What if something was wrong with your window and it would not roll down?

I had the same problem in an old Mazda. When I was stopped and the officer came to the window I showed him my hands, opened the door very slightly, and explained that my window doesn't work. He just told me to go ahead and open the door. No problem... that time...

Of course, this exposes your car very plainly... not that it really makes any difference with me.

 

[Strykervet]

I got pulled over and got asked to step out. I complied and as soon as I got to my tailgate and turned around 2 cops were already going through my truck. They didn't ask they just started riffling through my truck. Then they brought in a dog that tore one of my leather seats scratched the hell out of my paint, and they of course were kind enough to leave my truck trashed when they left. I have pics if anyone wants to see em. So now if I'm asked to get out of my truck I roll the windows up and lock the door and demand a warrant. (and people wonder why I avoid police officers)

PS sorry for the mini rant

This, Danny Harless, the ones I've personally encountered, the show "COPS", the crooked stuff in the national news, and finally the crooked stuff that goes on around here, is why I no longer have any respect for them. I once did, but that was long ago before they started hiring my generation and later. Now it is far better to treat them as "cordial enemies". I give them the cards and papers they ask for, I answer no questions. I assume they know what they want to do when they pull me over. Answering questions can only help them decide more charges. Besides, I always fight everything in courts, even a ticket. I don't want to provide the prosecution with evidence from my own mouth! Rather, I want the cop in a position to violate my rights (because I expect he will, he does often, and usually gets away with it) because here in court, he won't get away with it. It can and will negate the whole fiasco.

I like the idea of getting out and locking it behind you. They won't like it, and of course they'll get on the loudspeaker telling you to get back inside, since if you step out, you totally blow up their idea of how the encounter should take place. You make it harder to just search anyway. Now they need your express permission, a warrant, or they will have to take your keys and do it without your permission. Which is what you want, since if you get a good lawyer, you will be well compensated.

Just keep all your papers handy so you won't have to open it back up until you can go.

Proving to a court that the cops had reason to search that vehicle over a traffic stop when it was locked will be hard. Also, even if they do search the vehicle, if you have a locked box inside the vehicle, that WILL require a warrant in most places. Searching a locked box inside of your vehicle without a warrant or permission is most definitely a civil rights infringement. I can't see how taking keys off your person to unlock that box is any different than taking keys off your person to unlock the vehicle.

 

[moonpie]

i haven't been searched since my goodtiming days back in the twentieth century but i have been pulled over a few times late at night and the cop usually seems to appreciate seeing a friendly face when he looks in the window.i personally think good manners is the best way to handle the situation. at least its always worked for me. i have seen others start out by throwing an attitude and end up paying the price for their righteousness. i don't know what the actual laws are but word of mouth down here is that if you refuse a search they'll just call in and request a warrant then make you wait till it arrives.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Well we've gone pretty far from the Legal discussion and are now more into a philosophical discussion of LE ethics, and we'll have to stop there.