Long range hunting

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Most of that hunt for big game in North America go out to the field hopeful to get an easy close shot. However, since my early beginnings and over whelming love for this shooting sport, I was intrigued by how far I could make an effective and accurately placed shot.

I can still remember my first long range shot when I was a young boy. Though it wasn't something that would have qualified as a typical 700 - 800 yd. shot, it was amazing none the less. I had a pump pellet rifle and was doing my usual weekend rabbit hunting when I spotted 2 rabbits sitting one in front of the other at probably 80-100 yds. away. I found a stable rest on a tre limb and carefully compensated for the drop. To my delight and surprise I hit the first rabbit square in the side of it's head and when the pellet exited it went into the second rabbits head thus dispatching both rabbits instantly. That was it, I was now hoked on long distance shooting, or hunting more specifically.

From their I grew into my first high powered rifle, a 700 ADL chambered in .270 Win.. My first season I drew a Cous deer tag in Northern Arizona and had prepared for the hunt by sighting in 3" high at 20 yds. with my own reloaded 130 gr. bullets. The opportunity presented it's self to me when I was glassing a hill side from a spotting scope and spotted a decent buck. Not having a range finder back then I had to estimate the distance by guessing of course and hoping I could catch a glimpse of where my rounds were hitting if I missed and then make appropriate adjustments to my holder over. My first and only shot, I held high at just about the tip of the ears over the back, so I was vertically in line with the heart & lungs.

After the first round I saw the deer hit the ground as though a sledge hammer had knocked him to the ground, and then I heard that smack sound in what seemed like 2 - 3 seconds later, I got him! I was excited as I was disappointed because that clearly meant I would have to wait another year before I could do it again. The distance was not conclusively ranged but the number of steps from my rest was 733 steps but it was not all level ground and included the hill the deer was standing on. Probably well over 500 yds. considering I could barely see the deer with my naked eye.

Next was an antelope hunt the following year. Again I spotted my quarry at such distance that was over near level ground. This time the steps across level ground was in excess of 700 steps and because I was so excited when I hit him I forgot to count my steps until I had walked a good distance, so I figure it was probably at least 750 yds.. That was amazing for me but what really shocked me was after the antelope hit the ground in the same exact manner as my first deer, this time the animal got up and ran full bore quartering away. My first thoughts were confusion, did I hit him, what happened?

I stood up from my prone position and rest and lead the goat to about the tip of his nose and held high, probably a foot or more high and let a second one go off hand. The goat flipped end over end and tumbled to the ground! When I reached him he had a hole through and through his heart lung region, and his heart was blow apart. Then I saw the second hit was jus behind his head through his neck. This confirmed the stories I had been told about antelope being capable of running dead.

I had to find some way to continue my love for long distance hunting because targets just weren't getting it done for me. So I bought coyote calls and then electric calls and started hunting them dogs at extended distances during the off seasons. I soon realized that glassing from a high point in the early morning hours and late afternoon hours offered me jack rabbits, coyote and everything else that was legal at incredible distances.

Years, actually decades later I now have an expensive laser range finder and programmable BDC tools so I can enjoy knowing just how far the shot was. More recently, last winter to be specific, I took a coyote I had glassed up from almost 900 yds. The BDC gave me a MOA compensation to make on my turret and was surprisingly dead on, literally.

There are some basic rule to keep in mind when shooting at long range and safety is the most important of these. When we are shooting at these distances we have to know what is beyond our live target, a farm house maybe, cattle, you never know if you don't pick the right shooting enviroment. Personally I do this type of hunting and shooting where I can be certain of what may be out there beyond my intended target. In this manner I perfer to hunt on the vast and uninhabited public lands of Arizona from an elevated position which allows me a good view well beyond my shooting lane.

I spent many days shooting at targets at long range but it just didn't satisfy me in the same way.

There are various tools for the long distance hunter these days, and not all are what they claim to be. One of the less reliable means of BDC is the common BDC feature that offers an interchangable disc for the scope. This tool is based only on the average ballistic property of a particular cartridge and not able to be specific to the true ballistics which will often be very different. Back in the days when the laser range finder wasn't available the BDC feature in high end optics was all the only option for most. I tried several but they were not very effective and still required me to do a lot of guessing. Now days though with so many advances in technology we have devices that will provide BDC in very precise increments and are reliable.

One of those tools is Leupold's RX-IV range finder that incorporates a ballistic technology currently being utilized by both NASA and the US military. Recently my oldest Son who just 2 yrs. ago returned from the action in Afghanistan, shared the expense of a Leupold RX-IV range finder with the built in TBR program. Once you know the velocity of your load and the B.C. of the bullet, the True Ballistic Range or TBR, will accurately provide the MOA compensation needed on the scope. It will deliver the MOA up or down for the actual ballistic conditions, not uncompensated line of sight or LOS, which is very different than TBR.

An example of the difference is shooting at something 500 yds away at an up hill angle of say 30 degreess LOS, is equivalent to something like 450 yds. TBR. Of course the further away the greater the variance between TBR and LOS which is where the TBR feature really begins to shine regarding the accurately compensated MOA it provides. I have been having more fun with this tool than can be imagined.

So for those of you who just can't seem to get enough of this type of shooting I strongly recommend the Leupold product. It doesn't cost an arm and a leg like many of the other simular devices but it is probably just as effective if you practice with it chrony your loads. The RX-Iv which has numerous other useful functions for both the hunter and paper puncher can be had for about $550 v.s. some of the other 1500 yd. RF's that are going for well over $1000 and don't have features such as the programmable B&C function that will help you to evaluate the score of your antlered quarry. And with Leupold's outstanding customer service and uncompromised warranty you just can't go wrong.
 
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A pellet goes thru the head of one rabbit and kills the one behind it at 70 yards???... Amazing.
 
Look over any animal before shooting. be sure it is what you want.

Shoot to your ability for sure, soemtimes terrain and situations demand a long shot, but dont use an animal to find out "if" you can do so, do so only "if" you are certain that you can , indeed, place the shot..

Rememeber, your Hunting, and you have a responsibility to the animal and yourself to place the shot correctly.

Good luck , and thank you for making shot placemenmt first on your prioritys in shooting. Anything else is a "Bad shot"
 
Indeed that 20 yds. was a typo and is meant to be 200 yards.
And regarding long shots, this is something I've been doing sucessfully for well over 30 years and have yet to wound or lose an animal. And as stated, it is a responsibility to both the animal and my self to make sure I can for certain make the shot.
So far as the wind, it's a difficult factor and has inspired me to pass on shots from time to time. I'm very careful about reading the elements because I don't want make critical mistakes that could cost me a trophy or worse yet, wound one and then lose it.
Thanks for the responses and it feels good to know other have a simular interest in this style of hunting. One of these days before I get planted, I would just love to write a book about the most interesting moments I've experienced in the field over the years. Getting surrounded by a herd of simingly angry, very angry Oryx that not even my shotgun I was quail hunting with would scatter them off, finding myself in the middle of 5 large bull elk mear arms length from me which was entirely my fault, and numerous incidents whiile turkey hunting in which bears have fallen out of trees landing just about on top of me, and the time I was stalked by a mountain lion while working a gobbling turkey, the time a bear came into a turkey call with her cub and I didn't even have a firearm on me because I was preseason locating with my 3 year old son at my side. I remember one fall turkey season I had made a mistake calculating the roost for some turkey and ended up getting pooped on while they were still in the roost, and when they landed at sun up it turned out to be a large harem of some 200 turkey that set down at my feet.
I'll leave at this for now and maybe touch on varios experiences from time to time.
Oh my, the stories of my life in the field have been so amazing and exciting. These are the memories that get passed along generations later.
 
Once in a while, Sav .250, once in a while. I jumped a flock of hens, way back years ago, which was well over 100 in number. Once; never again. Incredible sight and sound, as they boomed up a hillside.
 
I had a pump pellet rifle and was doing my usual weekend rabbit hunting when I spotted 2 rabbits sitting one in front of the other at probably 80-100 yds. away

cough, cough.........sorry. calling BS on that - a pellet gun doesn't have the energy to even go that far, let alone penetrate a rabbit's head at that distance - nice "story" nonetheless
 
Don't think I have ever shot at an animal over 200-250 yards away even though I have seen a lot of deer that far or farther, 95% of all my shots are within 150. To me, the majority of the fun in hunting comes from trying to get yourself that close, or setting up and using calls or scents to try to get them come to you. Probbaly the hardest thing in hunting is trying to seakup on antelope and get that close shot.
 
cough, cough.........sorry. calling BS on that - a pellet gun doesn't have the energy to even go that far, let alone penetrate a rabbit's head at that distance - nice "story" nonetheless
I'm skeptical too. Some of the other claims have an odor of exaggeration as well.
 
cough, cough.........sorry. calling BS on that - a pellet gun doesn't have the energy to even go that far, let alone penetrate a rabbit's head at that distance - nice "story" nonetheless
Even the $55 Daisy Powerline model I got 7 years ago could do 670 FPS on a .177 pellet. That's equivalent velocity to a subsonic .22LR round. My father's old Sheridan Blue Streak can do 650 on a .20 pellet. Some higher-end pump pellet guns can exceed 1000 FPS. A pellet gun is perfectly capable of that performance. A rabbit's head isn't nearly as hard to punch through as a coffee can. The Blue Streak will punch through one side of a coffee can and nearly through the other.
 
I'm a firm believer in Long-Range-Shooting.

BUT NOT IN Long-Range-Hunting !!!!

Especially with a rifle cartridge incapable of dropping large game at ranges specified.

J.M.O.
 
Even the $55 Daisy Powerline model I got 7 years ago could do 670 FPS on a .177 pellet. That's equivalent velocity to a subsonic .22LR round. My father's old Sheridan Blue Streak can do 650 on a .20 pellet. Some higher-end pump pellet guns can exceed 1000 FPS. A pellet gun is perfectly capable of that performance. A rabbit's head isn't nearly as hard to punch through as a coffee can. The Blue Streak will punch through one side of a coffee can and nearly through the other.

Those measurements are from the muzzle - they drop off exponentially after that, which means by 20 yards, let alone 100, you will have trouble making a skull shot

Sorry, this is a BS troll post to me
 
Stories were fun to read once you figured out the typo's. As far as a .270 killing an antelope at over 700 yards with 130gr. I believe it. The rabbit thing, I'd like to see a 30 year old pellet gun do that. As for turkey's I have seen lots of them together on private lands easily close to 200 in the fall. I sure wish I could eyeball range as well as he did, I don't do too well on the range at those distances and will be keeping my shots under 300.
 
I'm surprised that there isn't anyone here that has guided turkey having thus been in simular situations that had you in the middle of large fall harems or laate wintering migrations of birds on the return to there high country roosts.
 
Hey, you add skill and luck and all manner of wild things happen. Witnesses have told of my father's calling neck shots on bucks offhand at 500 yards. I've seen him punch the white spot offhand at 250.

I admit to being a tad dubious about pellet guns, though. :)

But there was "The dove that God hated". I just "sorta flang a shot" at a dove and darned if it didn't fall dead. I counted steps as I walked over to it. Right at 90 yards. One pellet had hit in the eye. Old Model 12 30" full choke, high brass heavy load Winchester 7-1/2.
 
You outta hear some of the stories I listen to when I'm checking in wild game for processing. Embellishment while reliving the kill?.....Nahhhhh. Fishermen maybe but certainly not hunters. living in beef country one gets to fully identify the distinct odor of bullbutter. I can detect it here.
 
Back some sixty years or so, my uncle mounted a scope and sighted in on an old Krag. Mighty Nimrod went a-hunting for Bambi. Came back, complaining about having missed a deer at 300 yards because the sight-in was all wrong.

So, off to the benchrest at the 100-yard range. A measured 100 yards, three lengths of a surveyor's 100-foot chain.

Mighty Nimrod immediately began claiming that the backstop was at 300 yards. Uncle Joe soon lost patience. And, sure enough, the rifle printed two inches high at 100 yards, as originally set up.

I recall a gunsmith with the nickname of "Butcher" who was so very proud of his '06 Improved. Why, at 600 yards, you only held on a deer's back to hit him in the heart!

But none of us here ever mis-guesstimate range. And perish the thought that any of us would ever exaggerate! :D:D:D
 
Thanks Art! Now I know how to separate the paragraphes properely. I don't know why it didn't register in the past. I thought everyone was saying to hit the space bar twice.

But thanks, my posts will look much better in the future!!
 
Yeah, the good old "Enter" key.

I lucked out, back in 1947. All the boys had to take "girls' courses", including typing. I even managed to get up to 70 words per minute on the old Royal and Underwood crash-bangs. :) The Army made me an office-wienie, which got me stationed for two years in Paris, France.

I'll take luck over skill, any day.
 
Why is it that every time someone posts saying they're capable of shots better than the average shooter, so many of you accuse the OP of BS?

I understand if the OP has 10 posts or so at the time, but this guy has over 1500. That's a lot of time spent posting just to hope to trick people three years down the road.

While I was reading the OP's post, I expected a lot of flaming for taking shots at game at those kinds of distances. I didn't expect to see anyone (much less so many of you) call him a liar.
 
Why is it that every time someone posts saying they're capable of shots better than the average shooter, so many of you accuse the OP of BS?

I understand if the OP has 10 posts or so at the time, but this guy has over 1500. That's a lot of time spent posting just to hope to trick people three years down the road.

While I was reading the OP's post, I expected a lot of flaming for taking shots at game at those kinds of distances. I didn't expect to see anyone (much less so many of you) call him a liar.
I don't believe my posting called him a liar, but I personally don't believe his story for the following reason.
Using my Berger Bullets Ballistic Calculator, sighting in a 270 Win with 130 grain bullets 3" high at 200 yards using 2800fps - with bullet drop of 38+ inches at 500 yards, 69" at 600 yards, 112" at 700 yards, the shooter states "My first and only shot, I held high at just about the tip of the ears ......" =========== must have been a really tall deer ???????

Remember - I just questioned the ethics of long range hunting, with less than 1000 ft/lbs of remaining energy, which "hit the ground as though a sledge hammer had knocked him to the ground".
 
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