I can’t say for certain, but I am using American rifle company rings
A one piecd makes a moving the scope easier
Long Range Rifle/Scope/PRS question(s)
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I can’t say for certain, but I am using American rifle company rings
A one piecd makes a moving the scope easier
I’m not a machinist but I imagine one would make one hole cut on a one piece base which would make it much more difficult to get out of alignment. Also you wouldn’t have to worry about tolerance with picatinny rail causing alignment issues.
That said I’m thinking about going back to steel Talley rings cause I don’t know anyone who makes a one piece steel ring
That said I’m thinking about going back to steel Talley rings cause I don’t know anyone who makes a one piece steel ring
Cool. I will most likely do one of the one day shoots to get started. I assume their will be a huge learning curve on the first one. I can sight in at 100, get my muzzle velocity, and run numbers to get a dope sheet, but have nowhere to practice/verify before hand.
TRASOL is a very useful ballistic calculator for your phone, I took the box Bc from the box and plugged in my muzzle velocity and my data was pretty darn accurate out to 1000yds (.1 mils low this month)
Enjoy the new gun, what caliber?
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Do you use the Apple version? I've heard it's better supported, but the Android version is basically abandoned, last update in July '17.
I used Shooter for a few years, and recently switched to Strelok Pro. I think I like the Shooter interface a little better (especially the spreadsheet view showing correction values from 0 all the way out to your entered max), but that's probably somewhat due to familiarity. I really like the easy truing and target list functions in Strelok Pro, along with the extensive bullet library. Both Apps have been pretty accurate for me out to 1k using Litz G7 BCs for my bullets (SP has a banded BC function that I haven't used yet). Both Apps are streamlined well for efficient use on the line (where most of the web based calculators are lacking). Prior to downloading Pro, I used the free version of Strelok and wasn't too impressed, Pro is definitely worth the paltry price.
I know some folks that happily use the Applied Ballistics app, but haven't tried it myself.
That's going to be a sweet setup, color me jealous. I assume the Bushnell scope you went with is the XRS II? If so I'd be interested to hear how you like it, it was one of the finalists in my scope selection this summer, and it seems to get pretty uniformly high praise for the price point. Don't forget to post pictures when you get your gear!
Super simple. Log in and you’ll see a list of squads with names of people who have signed up so far. Select the one you want to be in. All this does is let you pick who you want to shoot with. You can change later as long as there’s space in the squad but once a squad fills you can’t join it.
Desert tech has a new developer for TRASOL and updated the apple version about two months ago, if you have had it in the past, you can redownload it, not sure if the android version has been updated or not, but I heard it was in the process of updating and support for the app will continue
I have not played with applied ballistics enough, I know I need to true it, but TRASOL has worked so well I find that I don’t use AB
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Production off of the table? What’s the MSRP in the Seekins? Aren’t ALL Bushnell scopes still listed as Production class, regardless of MSRP?
ETA: you’re gonna enjoy the Havak. Start with AW mags and save yourself the trouble of fiddling with the lips on AICS mags.
I'll have to look TRASOL up (Somewhat phone/internet/app challenged). Accurate would be good, since I have nowhere to verify over 300 yards before I show up.
6MM Creedmore. Choices were 6 Creedmore, 6.5 Creedmore, 6.5 PRC, .308.
Yes.
Cool, thanks.
I don't know, are they? If so, I'm still good. The Seekins Havok Bravo rifle meets the criteria.
Will do. What does AW and AICS stand for? I have some mags bookmarked, but want to be sure they are the correct ones.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...ne-aw-rifle-short-action-10-round-steel-matte
https://www.shortactionprecision.com/products/aics-aw-10-round-magazine-308
https://www.milehighshooting.com/ac...-and-at-rifles-7-62-308-doublestack-10-round/
I'm slow sometimes, have patience.
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Those are the right mags.
Accuracy International Arctic Warfare. Standard AICS mags are single stack, centerfeed, whereas the AW mags are double stack stagger feed. Such, an AW 10rnd mag is about the same length as an AICS 5 round mag. Oh, and the 10rnd mags actually hold 11.
But more important for the Havak, the AW lips are wide apart, so the vertical lugs of the Havak will ride between them with only a little tweaking, instead of cutting the lips like a guy needs to do to the AICS mags.
What’s super nice, AW mags load through the lips, instead of sliding in from the front as do AICS mags (AW’s feed AR mag style, instead of Glock mag style, for reference). Which means you can top load and press rounds into the mag if you wish.
The follower on the AW mags will act as a bolt stop, however, which is a problem for PR games - file a 45degree bevel on the rear of the follower to let the bolt ride over the follower when you drop rounds in the port.
Accuracy International Arctic Warfare. Standard AICS mags are single stack, centerfeed, whereas the AW mags are double stack stagger feed. Such, an AW 10rnd mag is about the same length as an AICS 5 round mag. Oh, and the 10rnd mags actually hold 11.
But more important for the Havak, the AW lips are wide apart, so the vertical lugs of the Havak will ride between them with only a little tweaking, instead of cutting the lips like a guy needs to do to the AICS mags.
What’s super nice, AW mags load through the lips, instead of sliding in from the front as do AICS mags (AW’s feed AR mag style, instead of Glock mag style, for reference). Which means you can top load and press rounds into the mag if you wish.
The follower on the AW mags will act as a bolt stop, however, which is a problem for PR games - file a 45degree bevel on the rear of the follower to let the bolt ride over the follower when you drop rounds in the port.
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Looks like PRS dropped the production list for this year, just going by cost. For a long time, all Burris and Bushnell scopes were listed. Not even itemized, just “Bushnell: all”.
Ordered a couple of boxes of Fed 6 Creed loaded with Berger 105s to get me started. Looking at brakes. Seems the Gen 2 Little Bastard might be a good choice? Looking at the Center Shot Rifle brakes as well, but they are confusing with all the choices.
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I like the Area 419 Hellfire brake. So much so that I’ve put them on 3 of my rifles
APA “little bastard”, area 419 “hellfire”, or patriot valley arms “mad scientist” would be the ones I would go with if i needed a break today,
I'll look them all up, but what in y'alls opinions are the pros and cons of the three.
I read things like "staying on target" (sounds like a very good thing), "noise", (less important), "blast signature" as far as not blowing dirt on you/rifle and not directing it at you, but more sideways/a hair forward. (Sounds like some brakes could be very annoying).
I read things like "staying on target" (sounds like a very good thing), "noise", (less important), "blast signature" as far as not blowing dirt on you/rifle and not directing it at you, but more sideways/a hair forward. (Sounds like some brakes could be very annoying).
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I have the Impact Precision Brake, APA Lil and Fat Bastards, Piercision Muscle brake, and Area419 Hellfire. Of those, I like the mounting style of the APA and Piercision the most, second is the Area419. Just never been a fan of clamps, but the Impact is very efficient for a 2 port. Most of this season I ran a SilencerCo ASR brake, a three port brake, which isn’t quite as effective as the Lil Bastard - but still plenty for the low recoiling 6 creed. The 5 port Muscle Brake is overkill for the 6 creed, but a very good brake, and I’d say the 4 port Fat Bastard is in the same boat. These two might make sense if you want to absolutely minimize recoil, say if you’re doing a LOT of positional shooting (like the CLD Punisher Positional which is 100% Positional, no peone), or if you’re running a really light rifle, or a lighter/smaller/weaker shooter. The Lil Bastard and Hellfire are probably perfect for the 6 creed for the average shooter.
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Recoil reduction for staying on target is critical. Most shooting will be done 500-800ryds, the shorter of which, a big recoil response will push you off of target so you don’t see your impact, which robs you of IMPORTANT feedback. Every shot you fire is not just a point, but it’s an opportunity for feedback to help you land the NEXT shots on target. Even a 308win shooter will be back on target before a 1000-1200yrd shot gets there, but you’ll wanna be able to see trace whenever you can. For shorter shots, especially Positional shots where you might not be as solid as you’d like, it’s hard to see your impacts if you have a lot of recoil.
Noise sucks, but you have ear pro, and you’ll rarely be on the line beside another shooter. Most of us run brakes, maybe 1/3 run suppressors, nobody except the newbies with some hunting rifle run bare muzzle. The noise increase to the shooter isn’t relevant - the benefits absolutely outweigh the slight annoyance.
Blast signature isn’t really a concern either. Half of your shooting will be Positional, and a lot of your prone shooting will be done from platforms. When you go belly down, it’s rarely if ever in dirt, worst case gravel. At every match I have shot, SOMEONE brings a mat, back yourself up a little and put the muzzle over the mat. I always take my mat, about 1/3 of the time my squad uses mine, the rest someone else hauls theirs around. It’s not so uncommon for matches to provide them on stage either. That’s not to say you won’t go prone on grass or dirt, but you will be able to use a mat if you want. By nature of their design, any of these brakes aren’t venting straight down, so the dust disturbance is pretty low. But I wouldn’t give up any recoil reduction with the thought of dust mitigation in mind.
I will say, at a LOT of matches, your rifle is going to get dusty. What happens during a stage of two of prone on the ground is minimal compared to the dust blowing around the range. Your rifle is going to get banged around into obstacles and port holes, fired from muddy grass (or mud, period), slung around in the rain, etc. It’s a full contact sport for your rifle. Expect paint transfer from obstacles, scratches, mud, grass, etc.
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My .308s are different rifles when the Hellfire brake is on them. I wish they allowed it in F Class but I understand why they don’t. When installed on my 6mm BRA it’s like shooting a .223 and that’s not an overstatement
What is the thought process there? Just think steel is stiffer? heavier? Both?
When I chose rings for my FN-SPR I bought TPS rings (Which I think are great), and chose steel over aluminum figuring they would be stronger/stiffer (Don't know if that is true), and the little weight gain was no big deal.
Still mulling over brakes.......
http://www.piercisionrifles.com/2-piece-self-timing-round-mini-magnum-muscle-brake-6-5-cal/
https://www.americanprecisionarms.c...es/products/gen-2-little-bastard-muzzle-brake
https://www.area419.com/product/hellfire_st/
I am still wondering a little about the staying on target vs recoil reduction I have read about. Does this mean some brakes "track" better while reducing recoil? Can a brake be too efficient and end up with the sight picture low instead of slightly high? Still curious about this.
I don’t know how much it matters between the ones you listed, you will need to get used to the gun and how it shoots, you will need to control the gun through the recoil pulse to be able to see your shot and make a correction,
Free recoil works well for some folks in some situations but lots of folks are using a gun that weighs double what yours will when it’s all said and done (I estimate your will have a 13lb rifle or less)
A 13lbs 6mm is a different animal than a 25lb 6mm and your technique for shooting will be different, but with your background and experience you already know that
Unless you changed out guns and breaks like some folks change socks, you won’t know much difference and the breaks you are looking at are “what the pro’s use” anyway.
There are some folks using rifles in the 25lb range, MDT and MPA both have weight systems for their chassis for this purpose,
18 is more common, my 308 is right at 15lbs
