Long Range Rifle/Scope/PRS question(s)

@z7

How’s the .308 work for you in PRS? If I was going to give it a try that would be what I would be using
 
Nature Boy said:
@z7

How’s the .308 work for you in PRS? If I was going to give it a try that would be what I would be using
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It works as good as I do. I have always finish in the top 3rd of the field, I have finished in 3rd place and in 2nd place in local matches. It seems at the local level caliber doesn’t limit you as much as your own ability to shoot, but I have found if i free recoil anytime of my gun tries to twist itself off the bag and misses high
 
Walkalong said:
Cool. I will most likely do one of the one day shoots to get started. I assume their will be a huge learning curve on the first one. I can sight in at 100, get my muzzle velocity, and run numbers to get a dope sheet, but have nowhere to practice/verify before hand.
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i just noticed they have a crawfish boil sunday after the match. i should probably go then. haha. i don't think you get those on the one day matches
 
taliv said:
i don't think you get those on the one day matches
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Likely not, it costs a lot less......

Just ordered a Little Bastard brake from APA.

Liberty had (Still has) the Bushnell XRS II 4.5-30x50 I ordered at $1750 on their "flash sale" page, so I thought I got a good deal on that. Since I ordered the rifle with a FDE stock (All black was too boring looking), I got the FDE scope as well.

My nephew Sam has a good buddy with a big property where he sells hunting trips to high rollers (Often times show up with high dollar equipment and can't shoot for squat), so I need to see if that would be a place he and I could stretch things out and get some practice/check some dope. Sam would love to do PRS as well.
 
Walkalong said:
Liberty had (Still has) the Bushnell XRS II 4.5-30x50 I ordered at $1750 on their "flash sale" page, so I thought I got a good deal on that.
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Ugh, they also have a bunch of other good Bushnell deals, DMR II Pros for sub $1,400.... Want so bad.

I think $1,750 for an XRS II is about as good a deal as you're going to find outside the Mil/LE program.
 
z7 said:
It seems at the local level caliber doesn’t limit you as much as your own ability to shoot,
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It's probably true everywhere that caliber doesn't matter if you can't shoot, but I would guess that .308 is more competitive in places with lower average wind. Out here where it's blowing pretty good all the time, running a .308 is a definite disadvantage, and I don't really see anyone using them for long in our local matches. To begin to approach the wind holding ability of my 6.5, I have to load my .308 pretty heavily then pay the price in even higher recoil. If it's not really windy where you shoot, then It's mostly just a recoil issue.
 
Gtscotty said:
It's probably true everywhere that caliber doesn't matter if you can't shoot, but I would guess that .308 is more competitive in places with lower average wind. Out here where it's blowing pretty good all the time, running a .308 is a definite disadvantage, and I don't really see anyone using them for long in our local matches. To begin to approach the wind holding ability of my 6.5, I have to load my .308 pretty heavily then pay the price in even higher recoil. If it's not really windy where you shoot, then It's mostly just a recoil issue.
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For sure,

South and central Florida doesn’t have the winds that folks have out west,
Last match we had winds fluctuating from 4-9mph from about 10 O’clock but the shooter was sheltered by a berm, the grass only told direction so the changes in wind speed messed lots of folks up, but all the 6mm Creedmoor shooters “held edge of plate” for their hits, while i was holding .5-.9 mils
 
If I already owned a 308win with AI mags and which weighed ~20lbs with a flat bottomed forend, I might have been tempted to use it for my first season, but I really can’t say it should be anyone’s first rifle for the precision rifle game. It’s just too easy to get into a 6 or 6.5, and the recoil penalty is just too great for high BC 30’s, or the BC penalty too great for the lighter, low recoil 30’s. I would honestly consider it to be a waste of money, throwing good money after bad to start by BUYING a 308.

Alternatively - if a guy DID already own a well suited rifle, I could argue the cost of entry is really low to convert it to a 6 or 6.5 - just a barrel.
 
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Varminterror said:
If I already owned a 308win with AI mags and which weighed ~2lbs with a flat bottomed forend, I might have been tempted to use it for my first season, but I really can’t say it should be anyone’s first rifle for the precision rifle game. It’s just too easy to get into a 6 or 6.5, and the recoil penalty is just too great for high BC 30’s, or the BC penalty too great for the lighter, low recoil 30’s. I would honestly consider it to be a waste of money, throwing good money after bad to start by BUYING a 308.

Alternatively - if a guy DID already own a well suited rifle, I could argue the cost of entry is really low to convert it to a 6 or 6.5 - just a barrel.
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I’m not likely to enter the PRS world anytime soon. I just flat don’t have the time. One F Class match a month is about my limit. The rifle I’ve been shooting in F/TR is my Mausingfield .308.

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When the Bartlein MTU barrel is toast (3,500 rounds on it now) I have another unchambered Bartlein MTU in reserve, 6mm diameter. That might be the time to make the decision
 
Walkalong said:
I'll look them all up, but what in y'alls opinions are the pros and cons of the three.

I read things like "staying on target" (sounds like a very good thing), "noise", (less important), "blast signature" as far as not blowing dirt on you/rifle and not directing it at you, but more sideways/a hair forward. (Sounds like some brakes could be very annoying).
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I switched to Area 419 Hellfire brakes from APA Bastards for all my rifles. Both of these fall into the self-timing class muzzle devices. Well, self-timing is a continuum, not an absolute. The APA brakes require a bit of Kentucky Windage to time them IMO; you start off-time and pull it into time because the brake will move when you wrench it. If you miss, start over. The Hellfire brake will not move once you tap it, then tighten the lock ring. I use a strap wrench to set it good.

Every brake seems to cause some amount of carbon buildup on the muzzle crown, in most cases the deposits are asymmetrical. I don't know if this buildup affects accuracy or not but, given the fuss everyone makes about not damaging the crown when cleaning, maybe it does, maybe not. I like to keep my crowns clean as possible, therefore a brake that's easier to remove and reinstall is a plus. Furthermore, I've observed that Hellfire brakes do not seem to accumulate carbon build up nearly as fast as others, including APA.

Finally, if you buy into the Hellfire system, one brake can serve many rifles in the same caliber range with each rifle costing just $40 for the brake mount. It's so easy to install and remove the brake, sharing one among several rifles is not even a chore.

For me, the Area 419 Hellfire is simply a much better mousetrap.
 
Very good points, but I have already ordered the Little Bastard. I'll just have to do a little trial and error. Shouldn't be overly hard getting it right. Thanks.
 
I have asked the question several places and nobody seems to want to say anything out loud - does the Area419 Hellfire Mount print as accurately as direct threading the can? The fact nobody will answer this question leads me to believe it’s not as accurate, so it’s a disadvantage. Having had PHENOMENAL customer service from Area419, I might not say boo publicly either. They did me an absolute solid to get me running in time to practice for a match last year, and they earned a customer and my advocacy in doing so. But I wouldn’t run a Hellfire Mount for my SiCo Omega if it won’t shoot as true as direct thread. The bad part, is the Hellfire 3 piece brake really needs the base to be rockset in place. Right now, I haven’t been rocking mine in place, and it hasn’t come loose inadvertently yet, but it does make me think. It costs JUST enough to get the can adapters that I haven’t been willing to test the precision of the system. All I know is I haven’t met anyone yet running a can on one at a match yet.
 
Varminterror said:
I have asked the question several places and nobody seems to want to say anything out loud - does the Area419 Hellfire Mount print as accurately as direct threading the can? The fact nobody will answer this question leads me to believe it’s not as accurate, so it’s a disadvantage. Having had PHENOMENAL customer service from Area419, I might not say boo publicly either. They did me an absolute solid to get me running in time to practice for a match last year, and they earned a customer and my advocacy in doing so. But I wouldn’t run a Hellfire Mount for my SiCo Omega if it won’t shoot as true as direct thread. The bad part, is the Hellfire 3 piece brake really needs the base to be rockset in place. Right now, I haven’t been rocking mine in place, and it hasn’t come loose inadvertently yet, but it does make me think. It costs JUST enough to get the can adapters that I haven’t been willing to test the precision of the system. All I know is I haven’t met anyone yet running a can on one at a match yet.
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I have not tried the Area419 system for a suppressor as I don't believe it will adapt to my Yankee Hill Ti can. If I was to do it over I'd buy a thread-on can. As it is now I attach the can to it's QD mount and thread it on anyway; sometimes I like to shoot with a can, sometimes without, Rocksetting a can adapter rules that out, unless I don't mind the "brake" mount.
 
@MachIVshooter is a machinist who builds and shoots suppressors, he would be a great one to ask about how true the suppressor can be kept with double threads.

I'll ask him.
 
I had a YHM brake mount years ago, and now have SiCo ASR mounts, but the precision isn’t as good as when direct threaded. I’d love to NOT direct thread.

The Area419 is actually a 3 piece, a reverse threaded adapter base, plus the brake and lock nut. The base then isn’t quite the same as these other brake mounts.
 
Nature Boy said:
@Varminterror

Might be that the only way to answer your question is to try one.

I have a 6mm I’d be happy to send you for the experiment
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I have the brakes, but they aren’t used when the can’s are installed, you remove the brake and the locking nut, then install the can onto the conical Hellfire adapter using a replacement baseplate on the can body. So only one piece of the 3 piece body remains - aka, the adapter base we’re supposed to rockset onto the muzzle threads.
 
OK, I think I see what you’re saying. You’d have to make the adapter semi-permanent?
 
Yes. The conical adapter is supposed to be semi permanent, then the brake or suppressor are quick change items from that adapter.
 
Ordered the game changer bag & the squishy rear bag from Armageddan. Boy is the website jacked up. Bad websites are not unusual, lots of them out there, but it boggles my mind why sellers wouldn't want a smooth easy to use website.
 
i just checked their site and it seemed to work fine. just clicked shop, game changer, added to cart and started checkout. less than 20 seconds or so
 
I guess I am just not used to how they have it configured. Trying to look at pics is weird the way it works and can throw you to something else.
 
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