Looking for a 380

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I have an NAA Guardian in 32NAA (380 necked down). Its a Kahr manufactured pistol. The quality is top notch and it goes bang every time. Holds 6+1. Finish is great, with not a single sharp edge anywhere. Sights arent really usable, but that is typical with a "big" gun meant to fit in a pocket.

For such a small pistol, it is heavy! Compared to the Taurus PT22 and other guns in this size, the guardian feels like a brick. In a good way. It doesnt feel cheap by any sense of the word. It can easily fit in a pocket, more so than the Colt Govt380 I had in my possession for a while. Its about 2/3s the size.
 
Not sure where the notion of poly guns being hard kickers came from; perhaps the LCP/P3AT? The little Glock is very mellow to shoot, and it is just enough smaller than its larger cousin (the 43) to pocket. Of course, the P365 tends to make this all a moot point.
The HSc is one of the most handsome guns ever made, but it feels like absolute crap in the hand. Dumped my .380 example for the lousy ergos and snappy recoil. I'll grab a minty .32, given the chance, and solve one problem.
Not sure I understand old/cool as determining factors in a carry gun. Our late officer loved Beretta 34s and 5s, but he never carried them.
Moon
 
For CCW, the LPC/P3AT every time and twice on Sundays. They are tiny. I can easily carry one in the breast pocket of a flannel shirt with a pocket holster. It's not fun to shoot, just mild discomfort, but I can empty it onto a small paper plate easily and quickly at seven yards. The LCPII is my favorite. They are still being made, but they really are the best for ¨deep carry¨. The Beretta Pico is nice. Its trigger is a little stiff for me.

For the opposite, range work and target shooting, the FN Model 1971 is the obvious choice. The six inch barrel and adjustable sights are rare for 380acp.

For medium-sized belt pistol, Colt Government Model with its steel frame and locking breech is a pussycat to shoot.

For blowback medium-sized belt pistol... oooo, thatś a tough one... I probably prefer my Russian commercial Makarov. Its single action trigger is decent, and the steel frame helps with the recoil. The Beretta 84 and Sig 230 are nice. My CZ83 had some problems, but a nice one would beat out the Makarov, IMHO. I have a steel-framed PPK clone (from FEG in Hungary). I prefer the Beretta or Sig.




 
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The G42 is the best of the 380 polys by far although with the P365 on the market I can't see going for one. I have had a Mustang Plus II for going on 30 years and I never felt the need or urge to swap it out for anything else in the 380 pantheon.
 
I sure like my 238. Easy to carry, eats any ammo I throw at it, accurate, and the recoil is soft.
I also like my HSc 380... but it can be ammo picky (XTPs work fine), recoil is sharp, the safety is backwards, and it has its mag release on the heel, so I do not carry it.

although with identical ammo, the 238 is nearly 150 FPS slower than the HSc
 
The Sig if you can find one, then the Browning 1955 ( or 71 with sights and fatter grip) is reliable and with the grip safety and thumb safety I carried one C&L for a decade and the detective I got my 1955 did so for two decades before me. Very slim and reliable. The Beretta 84 is good too and the easy one to get. Probably the best .380 for EDC is the Colt Mustang line of locked breech pistols. These were very reliable with a lot less of the .380 snap and safe in Condition 1 carry.
You realize .380 ammo is currently about THE most diificult = expensive ammo for a handgun to get for the last 6+ months, at least. It allways seems to dissappear first in bad gun times. For what it is I would get a sub compact 9x19.
 
I have owned several 380s and the only 380 I own now is a Taurus TCP 738. Nice gun but has sharp recoil. Of all the 380s that have went through my hands the Astra Constable was probably the best and the one I regret selling the most. I would like to have that one back.
 
There is a minty 1955 in .380 sitting in a local shop. Pricey tag at $650. The #1 on my list now is a FN 1910 7.65 for my Dr. No collection. The '55 is tempting and if it was 7.65 it would be in my safe. It is a beautiful and timeless design that would be a welcome addition to my carry rotation.
 
Colt Mustang Pocketlites are currently going for around $600 for a good example, actually that is a good deal being you get a prancing pony it will allways have value, not on Govt. hit lists and has the best locked breech of the bunch = easy slide racking and far less recoil .
 

I stopped by the LGS yesterday afternoon. He had one of these in the showcase but the grip safety was bright yellow. I wonder why S&W added this feature? Maybe they ran out of black colorant for their plastic?
 
If you plan to shoot it quite a bit, I would avoid the LCP - or at least the original LCP. I would recommend something a bit better built such as a Kahr, or a Sig, etc. If you handload, you won't have to worry about getting too close to the max with a better quality pistol. Bersa is not bad although it is a bit larger which can be a plus for some.
 
Colt Mustang Pocketlites
Those are itty-bitty; the SIG copy is about the same, just for a bit less. (And there are some Mustangs that are seriously marked-up in price; with the Pocketlites at even a higher premium.)

The Colt .380 Government Model is my personal preference for hitting an ideal balance for me. But, they are not common, nor available on the cheap.
 
I really like my Kahn CT Tungsten 380 pistol. Easy to carry and a joy to shoot, especially for a smaller gun. I use the Magguts magazines to convert it from 7+1 to 8+1, so a decent capacity.
 
Get a 42 and quit worrying about it. A little big perhaps, compared to an LCP, but far more shootable. Far lighter than any of the alternatives listed. It will tolerate lots of shooting, and it won't wear you out doing it.
Love the Walther, but it is an ancient design, rappy to shoot in .380. It was originally a .32, and the enlargement to .380 made problems. Reliability can be iffy.
The SIG P230 is also a honey in .32; less so in .380. Both the SIG and Walther are blowback guns, and .380s are the thin edge of what will work, without a gihugo slide.
Moon
What he said..I've had one for over 3 years and probably 6000 rounds with zero failures.
 
The two pistols I named don't suck at all to shoot, and are probably the easiest of all .380 semiautos to shoot. Excellent recoil management (something the polymer framed pistols don't do well) and superb accuracy (also something the polymer pistols are not known for for).

Any number of plastic guns offer superb accuracy. Walther Q5, for example. And Glock 42 is easily more accurate than PPKs, especially old, out-of-production ones. The barrel is just better cut on it, and the lock-up is consistent enough. In addition, it offers a miles better practical accuracy, because its sights are better, and changeable.

To say that plastic guns offer worse recoil management is a stereotype, but in case of .380 it's just absurd. Of course Glock 42 offers far better recoil management than Walthers and Berettas! And that occurs despite Glock having much smaller, less ergonomic grip than Cheetah. Just ask someone to run a 5x5x5 or any number of other drills on timer. In any case, no metal .380 offers the recoil and recovery of S&W 380EZ.

The big thing Beretta 85 has going for it really is its magazine capacity. But if I want to compete with a .380, I break out my "G42K" with extended grip and run ETS 12-rounters. At least I can see where I'm aiming with it :)

One other thing: factory trigger of Cheetah sucks. It's a DA/SA gun that ought to be great in that department, but it's no CZ. At least G42 can be run with an easy, progressive press. With the 85 I have to hold onto it for dear life and never know when it's going to break. The travel is very small on it, but it only works when the pressure is stable! A trigger job can fix that I'm sure, but come on.

Oh, and for those latecomers: OP was talking about something not in current production.

Well, yeah, I can sympathize. I love taking Beretta out of safe just to caress it, too. Just never shoot it.

P.S. Early 84/85 series guns have a massive peening problem where the slide hits the soft aluminum frame. Supposedly it was fixed in 84FS, but I don't know if I trust these claims.
 
The G42 is the best of the 380 polys by far although with the P365 on the market I can't see going for one. I have had a Mustang Plus II for going on 30 years and I never felt the need or urge to swap it out for anything else in the 380 pantheon.
I do because, for this 'recoil sensitive' guy, with a bunged up RH thumb and wrist, small 9mm's are NO FUN to shoot, for me.
Ruger LC9s
Glock 43
Sig 365

26 ounces for a 9mm with a comfy grip is about where I can carry and shoot and not goon up my hand/wrist when I shoot it..And ALL my guns, I shoot all a lot, gotta be FTS.

Glock 26
Glock 48
Glock 42
 
One of the many reasons the 42 is a great choice is its durability. Guy I respect on the Glock board has been feeding his really hot handloads, completely without drama.
In ordinary service, it will simply gobble up rotsa shots, and not beat you up in the process.
Moon
 
I've tried a lot of .380's and the only ones I kept and still have are Beretta 81, 84, 85, and Browning BDA 380. IMO, the best 380's period.
 
I found my P238 to be the easiest gun to shoot accurately of any gun I've tried.

Good sights, small, nice SA trigger and comes with nice night sights.

Mine in the P238 HD all stainless steel version.

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