Looking for a Low cost HD and possibly CCW Hand gun.

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If you enjoy shooting at the range, the Glock is the one to beat. I am now up to 15 magazines for my 9mm Glocks. At only 23.00 a piece, it's very affordable to load up. Esp nice if you are only allowed to put 10 rounds in each one. More shooting, less loading = more fun!

Personally, I'm a fan of the caliber, but I'm not a fan of the G27. It doesn't handle 40SW recoil as well as it could, and the recoil spring does not last long, at all, with full power loads. Mine's toast after just 2-3k rounds. That sounds like a lot, but when you're not sure when the next double-feed might occur, it's not very reassuring. It's about as finicky as a Glock can be. Which is to say not very, but it's not as foolproof as most Glocks in terms of maintenance and reliability.

The G30 ought to be a great choice, in my reckoning. 10 rds is right at the California limit. And 2 fingers is all you need for any gun, esp a soft recoiling 45 ACP. I guarantee this gun shoots softer than a G27. I'd personally go with either a G26 or a G19 for the cost of ammo and lower recoil. But if 45 and 9mm really cost the same to you and you have a 10 rd limit either way, then I guess there's not as much incentive to go small.

Advantages of an M&P? The big differences are the grip and the manual safety option. Most people think the Glock trigger is better, though. I think the Glock grips are one of the best in the business for recoil control, but YMMV.
 
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Well I took my wife to the range to see which she would be more comfortable with... and her opinion is the Hi-point... I don't understand quite why she like it but I think I will be giving it to her permanently.

As for my self I am narrowing it down to the Glock 26, the Px4 storm 9mm, and my current favorite the SA XD9.
 
Of those three, the XD-9 in an instant.

THEN, you and your wife take a gun class. I suspect she won't want that Hi-Point after the class, or even thru lunch.

It's easy to ignore or bypass shortcomings, even serious ones, when you can totally control the use of a given item.

If a car doesn't have 3rd or 4th gear and overheats in 20 minutes, that's fine if you never go over 30 mph for more than 19 minutes at a time. You may even accuse others of being "car snobs" if they insist on owning cars with 3rd, 4th and sometimes even 5th gear. Deep down, you know your car should have all the gears, but you've gotten by so far without them....until something happens that requires you to go faster than 30 mph or for longer than 19 minutes. But until that happens, you may think you got the transportation angle covered.
 
Hi John

Hands down, buy a revolver. Trust me on this.

For concealed carry, you need something reliable. The last thing you need to have happen in a gun fight is a malfunction. Many things can go wrong with a semi-auto, most common being failure to feed, fire, eject, extract, etc.

I've been carrying my SW 442, a .38 special, 5-shot, j-frame, hammer-less revolver for years now. I began carrying it when I was on the department when I carried it as my BUG; ask any cop what they carry as their back up gun and they'll more than likely tell you it's a compact revolver.

I carry it in an Uncle Mikes pocket holster in my right front pocket. It's light weight, concealable, reliable, accurate (ten ring out to 25+ yards), and cheap. Perhaps the perfect CC gun.

The 442/642's are hard to come by right now. I recommend the Taurus 850 "CIA," a virtual clone that'll work just a great, also comes with a better warranty from the factory.

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You could do a lot worse than an XD9. Two of my nephews own XD9s, and they have proven to be accurate and reliable. I have fired a few hundred rounds through each of them with no failures, and they were quite comfortable to shoot as well.

I'm not sure exactly how many rounds my nephews have put through them, but it's somewhere in the thousands with no malfunctions other than a couple of misfires due to a bad batch of ammo.

Good luck with your search. :)
 
For concealed carry, you need something reliable. The last thing you need to have happen in a gun fight is a malfunction. Many things can go wrong with a semi-auto, most common being failure to feed, fire, eject, extract, etc.
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I love revolvers, and have several. Even carried one sometimes. But to imply that they are more reliable than semi-autos just isn't always true.

My Glocks, after countless thousand round, years of shooting, through many models have never malfunctioned due to the gun. They are just stone cold reliable. And frankly they are superior to the revolver in nearly every aspect, including reloads.

The only areas that revolvers really shine is larger calibers (think .357/.44mag) and "contact shots..." which are probably rare.
 
I talked to one CDNN service person who wished to remain un-named that they cannot remove parts of a firearm including but not limited to mags and threaded barrels even if the weapon would otherwise be state legal.
 
I'm a Glock fan, but I would choose the XD9sc over the Glock 26. I sold my 26 because it didn't stay in my hand.... hard to shoot well. I tried a friend's xdsc yesterday for several hundred rounds and it proved to be incredibly accurate and "shootable".

Glock 19 would be my pick over either though.
 
I just got back from work... The Wife says "No revolvers in my house again!" Maybe after I get my new gun I will give her the Hi-point and slowly talk up something along the lines of a LCR as a back-up. maybe calf strapped.
 
Got an e-mail from a friend of mine while I was at work and Old west shootery (the local indoor range/training center/and gun shop) Has a New XD 9 in right now with the gear kit for $625 after fees. ($550 before fees.)

I realize some guys can hide full size rifle on their person. That is not me I weigh 173 at 5'7" 32 inch waist 39 inch chest (measurements taken today) I have had some difficulty breaking up the print of some of the guns I have looked at in the clothes I typically wear. I dont mind wearing a coat and a shoulder holster or small of the back "sleeve" but people around here tend to have their heaters up in the range of 85-90 deg. where most of my coats are not practical. Thus my turn down to 9mm where most guns shave off about an inch from their big brothers.
 
Although more pricey, my sig 239 conceals very well in the crossbreed. You would not print. Actually, most guns hide well in a crossbreed or a similar style holster.
 
CCW is a non issue for me if that is the question. I am in Humboldt county suffice to say it is an "almost shall" issue and as long as you remain current they rarely deny a re-up. I've only heard of 1 and that was an extreme case of immaturity on the person in question.
 
I just got back from work... The Wife says "No revolvers in my house again!" Maybe after I get my new gun I will give her the Hi-point and slowly talk up something along the lines of a LCR as a back-up. maybe calf strapped.
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I understand Wife doesn't want a revolver and I respect that, but I hope the "not in my house!" comment was just an attempt at humor. (I have jokes fall flat too; it happens)

It is also your house, isn't it?
 
The Wife says "No revolvers in my house again!"
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She doesn't have an issue with guns in the house, but does not want revolvers in the house? Did you do something wrong back in Arizona?

Thus my turn down to 9mm where most guns shave off about an inch from their big brothers.
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9mm, .40, .357 Sig, and .45 GAP pistols all use the same frame sizes, and all except the GAP (in Glocks anyway, the XD is the only other pistol I know of that got chambered in .45 GAP) use the same sized slides as well. An inch off what? The grip length, slide length, width?

There are a LOT of excellent reasons to pick a 9mm pistol over one of the other service calibers, especially if you don't have as much time or money to go shooting as you'd like. It's probably the most efficient defense cartridge out there, cheap range ammo, lowest cost defense ammo, it's everywhere, best magazine capacity for a given size of pistol, or in California's case, the smallest possible pistol that stays within the magazine capacity limit.

All of the service calibers have basically identical performance, there have been tens of millions of dollars, probably more, put into bullet design over the last twenty-plus years to learn how to make bullets as consistent as possible, and the end result is that basically no matter what caliber you're shooting, as long as you're running a relatively current JHP they will all deliver the same results.

Shooting someone in the gut won't deliver a stop, no matter what you're shooting, unless they voluntarily decide they don't want to be shot anymore, only good hits count with any bullet.
 
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Hands down, buy a revolver. Trust me on this.

For concealed carry, you need something reliable. The last thing you need to have happen in a gun fight is a malfunction. Many things can go wrong with a semi-auto, most common being failure to feed, fire, eject, extract, etc.
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Boy, I guess our military has it all wrong.
 
2 things happened to make her dislike revolvers. One was me being a moron trying to shoot a S&W 500 one handed. The other is the only time we were held up without a SD weapon on hand and the guy shattered the left side of my face with a 44mag. over the fact our wallets had no cash.

And as for the size differences I was looking at the overall length in general not within any specific family of guns.
 
Other options in 9mm: S&W 3913 (used of course, good guns though), Walther PPS, police surplus Sigs...

A lot of people like Glock 30s with a grip extension. You asked about .40 recoil, it happens quickly so it is frequently described as "snappy". Most new shooters find it more unpleasant than .45acp in my experience.

The 5906 was/is a good gun as well.

My 2 cents...
 
The lady smith does look nice but no local shops have it nor does anyone i know have one I can get a better feel for. Unfortunately the PPS is a Cali no-go and the 5906 is proving difficult to track down with 10 round cali mags.

Another thing to point out no matter what gun I get now I can always get another down the road. you know after the California mandated 30 days between gun purchases.
 
Hard to beat the S&W SD Series which can be found under $400

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Many things can go wrong with a semi-auto, most common being failure to feed, fire, eject, extract, etc.
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And those failures generally take under a second to clear. The beautiful thing about revolvers is that a failure to fire because of a dud primer can be remediated by pulling the trigger again on the next chamber, but the beautiful thing about a failure to fire in an auto is that racking the slide takes a second and clears greater than 90% of malfunctions.

And I think modern autos have beyond proven themselves combat reliable. It's not an insulin pump or a pacemaker, if you feed it cheap ammunition on the range and it chokes on an out of spec round once every five hundred or thousand rounds or more, it doesn't really indicate any lack of reliability on the weapon's part, as long as it feeds good quality ammunition properly.
 
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