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Lost my job as a result of firearms!

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They followed the rules, you did not (it was on paper). It happens at least you left with a good handshake... I would have done the same thing but more discreetly...


now on a good note...

Honestly, i love when things drastically change. Things will get better i can assure you that(even if it was good). Wife is happy, for change. Good luck dude.. I cannot wait for my next drastic change to occur.... Its exciting... Cya

Take care...
 
Wow, if I EVER came to work without my gun I would be written up on charges....

/works at FOB Summerall, Iraq
//101st Airborne
 
You can always get another job, you cannot get another life if you wind up dead due to stupid corporate policies.

+10,000,000

I was Facility Security Officer (personnel security, document security, physical security) of a classified NASA contractor when the first Gulf War started. I programmed the electronic access control system that controlled the employee (and other) doors. It was set to automatically unlock in the morning. When the war started, I immediately went to my double digit IQ Klansman boss and told him that we needed to disable the automatic unlock programming. He turned me down flat. A little later, we got a bomb threat which he both improperly handled and didn't tell me about. I then found out that we'd gotten a series of bomb threats which he didn't tell me about. From that day on until the end of the war, I started carrying an attache case to work. Inside were my Series 70 Colt and a ballistic vest.

I had TWO bosses, one for security (the Klansman) and a sensible one for IT. I took my IT boss down into my office in the vault and told him I was going to be armed for the foreseeable future and that if there was trouble, he should head for my office.

I've never placed company policy over my own life or anyone else's. I never will.
 
It sounds like your wife's prayers were answered. There are always other jobs available. Good luck on finding the right one for you.
 
good for you, hank. sounds like you got lucky, both in not having to shoot anyone, and getting the opportunity to find a better job. my last job also had a "no weapons" policy; i figured: better broke than dead.
 
If I had a business and told an employee not to bring a gun inside and he did anyhow I think I would have to disapline thier actions. If there were other underlying issues I might have to cut them loose too. Guns are not inkpens and probably not part of the job description.
 
i worked at a bar and it was in a bad neighborhood,drug dealers,people getting robbed in the parking lot,lots of fights,and i thing 3 out of the 25 people that worked there dident carry,it was a privately owned bar so that also made a difference,those chains suck,they want you to msake them money,but do nothing to protect you from dunk as8,hol88,if your lucky you will get a rent a cop with 2 sets of hand cuffs and some cheap pepper spray,better off getting a new job
 
I do belive it's every business owners/property owners complete right to allow or disallow whatever items they choose on thier property.

With all rights come responsibilities. Exercising your right to deny other's rights to RKBA and effectively to deny them their human right to self protection then IMHO you've taken on the responsibility of their defense and aftercare if they are attacked, injured or killed.
 
With all rights come responsibilities. Exercising your right to deny other's rights to RKBA and effectively to deny them their human right to self protection then IMHO you've taken on the responsibility of their defense and aftercare if they are attacked, injured or killed.


If you think the protection starts and ends with a firearm, you are very wrong. BTW by law you already have to take care of them if they are injured on the job.
 
Don't feel too bad about it...a few years back I was working for PInkerton previou sto their acquistion by Securitas...They had bought another company and made some of their guys bosses. Bottom line;the new account manager thought that my NRA and"If you Can't Beat them,Club'em !" bumper sticker constituted a violation of thE "WORKPLACE VIOLENC EPREVENTION POLICY"....funny thing was;on a semi-regular basis;at that jobsite we ( the actual guards) were breaking up fights between hungover contractors and (thieving) temp day labor ...
BTW, I worked ( and on occasion still do ) for day labor agencies myself,so NO ; I am not broad -brushing.
 
If I had a business and told an employee not to bring a gun inside and he did anyhow I think I would have to disapline thier actions. If there were other underlying issues I might have to cut them loose too. Guns are not inkpens and probably not part of the job description.

So, if your employee doesn't bring a gun and loses his/her life due to YOUR policy, are you going to majically give him/her their life back?


OP - you did the right thing. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
 
So, if your employee doesn't bring a gun and loses his/her life due to YOUR policy, are you going to majically give him/her their life back?

and if you bringing gun voids my Insurance and I lose every thing I own can I have every thing you own?
 
Excellent job (and sorry for your lost job). I really admire what you did, man. Unfortunately, if I brought a gun to my work...I'd be spending some serious time behind bars (and I don't think my pregnant wife and 2 girls would be to happy with that) and lose my right to vote and own guns. I shall now live my life vicariously through you.
 
I find it interesting that companies seem to think that they somehow have control of your civil rights just because you perform work for them. Conduct matters should be relegated to actions by the employees, not attempting to define a utopian work place... and the Constitution doesn't stop at the front door of a business.

I work for a communications company, and we've had to call the police on a regular basis. We have a "no firearms" policy too, and LOTS of people violate it every day. They actually try to enforce a policy of "no firearms in your car" in a parking lot they don't own... but I digress.

The company personnel manual demands that if the company suspects you of any kind of personal misbehavior, that they have the right to search your person and your car. Of course, when I read that, my blood boiled... so I sent them a memo, for their "justification" for the unreasonable search was that to refuse was insubordination.

I spelled out to them that if they put their hands on me physically, whoever did so would be charged with assault. I would allow them to look inside any briefcase, desk or a box, or anything of that sort that I carried, but if they put their hands on me, I was charging them with assault. Then the argument went to "searching my car"... to which I told them, you're welcome to open the doors and look inside my car. If you open anything inside the car, you have to have a search warrant and have me charged with a crime... and they don't issue search warrants based on company policy, so if you are accusing me of a crime and all you find is a gun in my car, you better have plenty of money for the lawsuit to follow, because I have a CCW permit.

I told them if I carried my gun into the building, they couldn't do anything about it other than fire me, even though they have the building marked with "no concealed weapons" signs at the door. I won't reveal to them what their discrepancy is, but the signs they have do not comply with the state law, and they don't have them posted properly. Like everything else, they simply think that posting a sign complies with explicit legal restrictions.

It's a contentious relationship, but I put them on notice that if they started playing games with my job, they'd be in federal court. I had a long talk with my lawyer before any of this occurred, and he told me what I could and couldn't do, so I've followed his guidelines explicitly... and if they fire me without cause, they'll not only be going to court, but somebody's going to jail.
In South Carolina, it's a misdemeanor crime to fire somebody because of their political opinion... and the 2nd Amendment is a hot political issue... so anything related to my assertion of my 2nd amendment rights is a "political opinion"... regardless of what their policy manual says, and I'd draft an arrest warrant in a skinny minute.

We work in a building that is almost solid glass on the ground floor, and have unarmed security guards that are perfect targets sitting at their security desk just inside the glass doors. The company's "emergency plans" are almost non-existant, even though they have reams of policy manual "write ups"... they never adopt anything that is usable, so they're also liable for not providing a safe place to work if they have an incident.

We've had people who were fired to show up on the 2nd and 3rd floors to confront their former supervisors, totally bypassing the security by simply walking in with someone who had a security badge to open the door... so it's just a matter of time before it goes sour and somebody gets hurt. Police response time is usually about 10 minutes to our location... so if you expand that out to actually "handling the situation", you're looking at a half hour to 45 minutes before they could lock the building down and isolate the threat.

We had a fire drill and blocked one of the exits, and it took nearly 18 minutes to empty the building because the people kept trying to go down the blocked stairwell, and refused to follow directions to go to the other stairwell. How well do you think they would respond in a shooting situation, especially if they had to cross the field of fire to get to the exit?

I worked in a chemical plant once where we had guns in locked boxes in the supervisor's offices, and a "two-key" system to get them in case of an emergency. One key was kept by managers, and one by security... and it took both keys to acquire the weapon... which was a very reasonable security provision. Nobody carried a gun, but they were easily accessible in an emergency situation.

I hate that you lost your job over carrying a gun into your job, but if you worked in a bar, it was illegal for you to do anyway... so you're lucky the manager didn't turn that over to the police. For sure, I wouldn't make any noise about it. As long as your gun was in the car, you were legal... when it passed through the door of a place that sells alcohol in S.C., you were in violation of state law... and your bar owner could lose his liquor license over it. While we have pretty good gun llaws in S.C., they've long realized that guns and alcohol don't mix... and there are places where you can't carry, even with a CCW permit. Places that serve alcohol are one of them.

I hope you find something soon, and that it's somewhere that you won't be confronted on a daily basis by idiots... especially drunk ones. We get our share of both drunks and idiots, but luckily, they are usually confined to our front counter area, and not in the company area where the employees work.
There's lots of other jobs out there that don't put you in jeopardy, so find one and leave the gun out of it as much as possible. Every time you pick one up and aren't at a shooting range or on your own property, you're stepping into the criminal justice system. How you fare there is a jump ball.

WT
 
but if you worked in a bar, it was illegal for you to do anyway...

Not so for every state - In Missouri, for instance, if the owner/manager allows, it's just fine. In fact, our CCW law makes an specific exemption around that...

Personally, I wouldn't want a gun around drunk people.

So... Where do you live? Any THR folks need any hired help?
 
I am self employed and it don't always work in your favor. Just last week I was working on installing an alarm system for a company I have doen work for since 1995. Got a call from the manager of the alarm dept., conversation went something like this:

Him: Are you packin?

Me: of course

him: go remove it quick

me: ok

I hang up, go out to my work trailer, open my gun safe and disarm. Go back inside finish packing up my tools (I was finished when he called). Once all my stuff was out of the building I re armed.

Called him back

me: what kind of trouble am I in?

him: none, I have a HCP (in Tn it's not a CCW) and I understand but while you are working for us please leave it outside.

me: ok, no problem.

I hang up and tell my wife from now on I'll take my carry off my side and put my BUG in my pocket so no one can see it.

On a side note, I have had this happen twice, and both times the building had some of our southern neibours there. I don't know, maybe they thought I was from I.C.E. :banghead:
 
You had the guts of conviction and did everything right, in my book. I'm sorry that you lost your job by doing what should have been correct.

I thought the story was going to end with the drunk coming back two or three nights later and opening fire in the restaurant. Glad it didn't end that way.

Best wishes in your job search.
 
I worked as an EMT/security guard at Kennecott Copper, the world's largest open pit mine from 1986-1990. We were technically unarmed, but all of us carried. The Sergeant knew, the Lieutenant knew. The County deputies knew.

For that matter, there was once when there was a deer that had been hit by a car but wasn't dead. The SLC Sheriff's Deputy came up to my station and asked if I'd call Jon (the shift Sergeant) to come meet him. I asked what the problem was, he told me about the deer. He said Jon would go with him to shoot the deer so he didn't have to use his own weapon and then fill out 3 forms that night for firing his own gun. I gave the deputy my Glock 17, he brought it back to me two shots lighter. That was the only time that happened to me, but I heard about it several other times from Jon. No job is worth my life.
 
Well Hank,

You're now in an exciting place......out on a limb. Look to the Lord to direct your path and put you where He wants you to be.

You may just look back one day and see the "incident" with the wife beating drunk as a providential turn of events that God used to open a much better door for you.

I will not confirm that I ever do or do not break company policy.....but if I was to do so, I would make darn sure no one else knew about it but me.

You took the floor manager into your trust and confidence and he stabbed you in the back. Your motives seemed to be good. His? Well, just let his motives be his problem.

Good luck to you. Can't wait to hear the next installment of you odysey.

LEO employers might frown upon the reason you were terminated at resturant as they'll expect their officers to obey their policies. If so, just take that as an indication that you path lies elsewhere.
 
Well apparently the boyfriend of one of the girls I worked with heard what had happened, and offered me a job waiting tables at one of the nicest restaurants in the area. I hate waiting tables, but the money is killer (and I mean killer here... the Mayor of Myrtle Beach used to wait tables here to supplement his mayoral income) and I believe they can work around my school schedule.

No police departments in the are are hiring. Maybe could be a correctional officer. They're expanding the county detention center and staffing it with an additional 60 persons.

To clarify a couple questions; no, we didn't let the girlfriend drink during our "counseling" session. He had only had 3 drinks. They live seperately; she lives in a 3 story house she paid for on her own, and he lives with his mommy. Otherwise, we wouldn't have let her go home.




On a side note, I would absolutely LOVE to join the US Army, but the wife is vehemently against it. Maybe I can work on her a little. I'd have to lose some weight, but I figure about 20 lbs and I'd have no problem, maybe half rats and serious PT when I get there, but I'd be motivated and dedicated.
 
Bogie,
he said he was in South Carolina, so I know it's against the law for him to take a gun into an establishment where alcohol is served... with or without a CCW permit. Other states may allow it, but I would venture to guess that it's very few of them... and probably states that are mostly rural.

A lot of states that still allow it, have "grandfathered" the laws from bygone years because clearly it's not good practice to have firearms and alcohol mixed... we deal with enough idiots who think they can drink and then go shoot at the ranges. I'd rather they shot on days I wasn't there.

Good judgement is the result of experience... experience is the result of bad judgement... and drinking+firearms = big trouble

When I was a cop, I went into a bar looking for an escapee, and while talking to the bartender, I found out that two guys had gotten into an argument a couple of days before over $2. One of them went to his car, got his shotgun, and blew his "buddy" off the bar stool... stone dead... and there were dozens of those stories all over the city where people got drunk and then shot somebody they wouldn't have even argued with sober.

I don't drink because I'm allergic to some of the ingredients in beer and liquor, but if I did, I would hope I had enough sense to stay away from my guns if I had a snoot full of alcohol... and it doesn't take nearly as much alcohol to affect people's judgement as they think it does. I chalk drinking and playing with guns as "stupid comes in all sizes"...:banghead:

WT
 
I try to avoid people who are stupid enough to get stupid around firearms. People who are smart enough generally leave 'em alone, you know?

For instance, after many a match, sitting in someone's RV, chillin' with a cold beer, actions or barrels or rifles may get passed around... And stuff's open, and it's inspected, and double-checkeded (intentional ed...), and it's fine.

Why?

Because we're not talking about violence here. We realize that putting a live round in one of the things is not a good idea away from the firing line, and we double-check. Fine. And then we can marvel endlessly about the zen-like beauty of a perfect trigger, etc., etc...

Now, Bubba at Joe's Country Bunker Bar'n'Grill may see things a trifle differently... Maybe Bubba needs a nanny...
 
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