Louis Awerbuck and Ken Campbell in California

[DaveH2]

Louis Awerbuck
· Worked at Gunsite Firearms Academy as Chief Rangemaster
· President and Director of the Yavapai Firearms Academy
· Author of Defensive Shotgun, Hit or Myth, Tactical Reality, Only Hits Count
· Contributing Editor to SWAT and Soldier of Fortune Magazines

Captain Ken Campbell
· Boone County Sheriff Dept., Central Indiana
· Special Response Team Commander & Chief Rangemaster
· Recipient of community’s “Police Officer of the Year†and “Medal of Valorâ€
· Affiliated with Gunsite Academy Inc. since 1990

April 2-4, 2004 (Fri –Sun)
Turlock Sportsmen’s Club
Cost: $485/person
Course: Combined Tactical Carbine/Pistol
Ammo Requirements: 500 Carbine, 500 Pistol

This exciting specialized course combines the Carbine and Pistol systems used for practical urban application. Carbine is designed for quick, accurate, close-range shooting as opposed to precision sniper shooting. Either iron sights or telescopes are applicable. Pistol is utilized as primary or secondary weapons concentrating on target angles, vital zone definition under stress, one-handed acquisition and operation, increased speed and longer distances. Topics include various ready and tactical shooting positions, using the sling, shooting on the move, moving targets, clearances, dim-light shooting and barricades.

This will be Mr. Campbell’s first instructional course in California. This unique course presents the methodologies and philosophies of two of the best firearms instructors in the industry.

Please sign up early: Registration Deadline February 29, 2004
For more information: Check out YFA’s Website: http://www.yfainc.com
Email Tommy Gong for Local Information:
[email protected]

 

[El Tejon]

Would someone out there PLEASE ask Cap'n Ken about that goofy pith helmet he wears. Has he become some kind of Ingerish explorer?

 

[Gordon]

By G-d , I'm going to this one!!!!!!!!!

 

[tetleyb]

DaveH,

Are you still going to Louis shotgun course at ITTS the weekend before?

 

[DaveH2]

I will try to make it

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

I wish i had the money.

 

[444]

What are the legalities of bringing a carbine and magazines into the state of California.

I should have asked Tommy Gong. I took a class with him this past weekend.

 

[buzz_knox]

I'm hoping to take Tac Rifle 1 from Mr. Awerbuck in NC Memorial Day weekend.

Any recommendations on what gear to bring? I've got the rifle (Colt M4gery with Comp M2) ready to be worked up, but need ideas as to ammo carriers, etc.

 

[El Tejon]

buzz, have used most everything under the sun. However, at HITT last August I went untertactical and used a gas mask bag. Worked out great.

I recommend Tactical Tailor if you want a chest pouch (I prefer). Lots of good Cap'n Tactical vests out there now as well.

 

[444]

I use Bladetech mag pouches for the AR.
I would take as many magazines as I could so you can spend your time training instead of loading magazines.
I would buy a LULA for loading magazines. Those fingers tend to get sore after the first 500 rounds.
Not sure about that particular course, but you might need a light.

 

[Gordon]

For some reason Tommy_Gong is not answering my Email request for registration , any phone numbers to register?:

 

[444]

Probably because he was down here at a handgun class Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and Monday. He probably either drove home today, or had to go back to work today.

 

[Telperion]

I would consider going if it were possible for me to buy a suitable carbine in this state.

 

[444]

I would consider going if I knew I could bring my carbine into the state and be able to return a free man.

Maybe I could go and shoot my Winchester 94 in the carbine portion of the class ?

 

[Gordon]

My partner , who wants to go too, really wants to use his scout scoped Marlin Stainless 336 in 30-30 as he hit things much better than his HBAR. But I reminded him of thumbing in 500 30-30 rounds (twice as expensive as .223 too!) and he gave up the idea!

 

[DaveH2]

Equipment-wise, my personal experience in carbine is not that great, however, I took the 223 class at Gunsite with Pat Rogers, and will share what worked for me:

Wilderness Instructor Belt, 3 stitch, 1.75 inch

Buckle is 12:00
Speed reload, 20 round mag in Mad Dog Labs magpouch (kydex) 11:00
Low ride Jon Nelson Magpouch, 4 standard 30 round mags at 10:00
Speed reload, .45 mag pouch (MD Labs): 9:00
Surefire at 8:00
Jon Nelson dump pouch at 7:00 and 5:00 mounted
.45 at 3:00
SNG IWB at 2:00

As to mag pouches, pretty much, I think that MD labs is the best kydex. You may not be able to get them, though.

Blade-tech is another option.

Anything else, I wouldn't bet on for kydex. The Wilderness makes some nice nylon.

Eagle mag pouches for the AR are from what I understand, very decent.
If possible get Eagle magpouches, Eagle makes very nice pistol mag pouches, you can get them through Gunsite, they keep them in stock

Check out www.lightfighter.com for a full selection of pouches for the AR platform. The only one I used was the Nelson, so that's the only one I can recommend, personally. Wasn't paying attention to what other people were using.

I consider a dump pouch almost mandatory for a carbine class. Makes magazine management that much easier. If you can not get a Nelson dump pouch, I highly recommend SOE gear or Eagle. The Eagle one is a little small though.

If you don't want to spend that much dough, consider a Rollypoly from maxpedition (folding dump pouch)

http://www.maxpedition.com/catalog/product_rollypoly.htm

Consider bringing a multi-tool. They are very useful when screws get loose. Also bring whatever tools you need in case mounts get loose for the Aimpoint, SF, ACOG, or whatever you have bolted onto your carbine.

Credit goes to Erick for helping me get that set up, as I was going to take the class with a RR vest.

I do not know what Louis expects from you equipment-wise, but the above worked for me at Gunsite.

 

[Gordon]

Now this gets interesting as I have not taken traing since the 80's , I'm going with my business partner in my motorhome. We both have Colt H-bars with Aimpoint compm2 on goose neck mounts. We don't have slings ! What kinda sling should we buy for THIS course? We will bring 20+proven mags BUT our pouches are just double Milt Sparks on our Milt sparks 2 1/4" pistol belts (ala 80's IPSC) I can see getting a rolly polly to "manage mags" will they fit on these real combat belts. We don't need to carry more than 2 or three extra AR mags, do we?

 

[444]

I can pass on the advice given to me before I took my first carbine course at Gunsite. The advice came from Pat Rogers if it matters.
I went with a single point sling from The Wilderness. After using this sling in several classes, I bought into the concept completely and now have single point slings on all my ARs and all my "tactical" shotguns.

I would say you are going to need more than two mags, although you don't have to carry them in mag pouches. The last carbine class I took, I carried three mags on my belt, and at least 4-5 more on my person either in my pockets or in my dump pouch (although the purpose of the dump pouch was to carry depleted magazines, I was looking for all the room I could get). The main thing is to have extra mags on your person. When you reload the weapon with a fresh mag from your pouch, refill the pouch with a loaded mag from your pocket or whatever. You want to keep the weapon fully loaded as much as possible and your magazine pouches loaded all the time. I am not sure how this course will go, but having a lot of loaded magazines on your person is a big plus. First of all, you get to shoot more or put another way, you get more training time for your dollar if you arn't spending a lot of time loading magazines or running back to your gear to get more ammo. In some classes they divide the group into two relays so that one relay is on the line and the other relay is loading magazines. Since I carried plenty of loaded magazines, I am able to shoot on both relays a lot of the time. Another factor is consideration for the other students. I once took a carbine class where most of the people showed up with only a couple magazines. As a result, we would get up on the line, do a little shooting, then we had to take a madatory break so everyone could load up. I went there to shoot/train, not sit under cover while these guys loaded magazines.
YMMV depending on this particular course, but in that last carbine course I took (Gunsite 556), Louis Awerbuck was an instructor.
Something to keep in mind about these course is that it is considered bad form to run your weapon dry and have to do an emergency or speed reload. When you finish a firing drill, it is usually SOP to top off your weapon with a tac load. Therefore, even though you may be using 30 round magazines, you arn't going to be firing thirty rounds from them before you reload. You might only fire 10 or 15 rounds from that magazine and then do a tac load during the lull in the gunfight. So, you won't have as much ready ammo on your person as you might think. Of course if you run out of full magazines, you can then start reusing partially depleted magazines or you can consolidate your ammo during longer lulls in firing.