I have a Ithaca Stake out 13" 20 gauge pistol grip ULtra lightweight( 4 pounds with 13" barrel in 20 ga.) that I had to register as an SBS , even tho it was originally sold as an AOW to Las Vegas PD who I bought the pistol gripped barrel less receiver from as a "firearm" in an auction and put on a wood stock and 25" DeerSlayer barrel for my wife's use later . Dog Town Tom convinced me it must be SBS after that and I agreed and got an original 13" barrel and form 1 registered it as an SBS . It now has a Olight Baldor S light/ Blue Lazer on it and seems like it might be handy around the ranch home with #2 Buckshot .
I started experimenting with pistol gripped 12 gauge Remington 870 police 18" guns in late 70s with the metal overfolder stocks. They were brutal but I kept after mastery of them with thousands of rounds on pepper poppers I had placed in an old adobe shoot house my friend and I built. After ten years of that in 80s and later ten years of qualfying in PD reserves with one in 90s I came to the conclusions in Louis Awerbuck classes in 2000s for another ten years it was NOT the way to go for serious shotgun defense, but was a niche gun like a snub revolver is compared to a combat pistol. I did buy a Remington TAC 14" 870 12ga. AOW cheaply a few years ago and it too now wears an Olight Baldor light Green lazer . I didn't fool with it much asI had my fill, but my son does tho and uses reduced velocity Fiocchi 00 buck loads in it . Gabe Suarez thinks these are great tucked into between the right hand drivers seat edge and console for those who have concealed carry permits (like we do in Oregon) and make more sense than a SBR AR15 for such purpose. I believe he is probably correct and magazine restrictions don't apply. Also they are pyshchologically disconcerting to attackers close up , there is centuries of proof this is true on this. All most all LEGAL defense is close up so there you have it .
Here is my journey in more detail from a couple years ago before I NFA SBS ed the Stake out :
For back ground I bought this Model 87 Ultralight Ithaca 20 gauge from a Las Vegas police auction with out the 13" barrel it was built with as an " other firearm" years ago. The serial # has an HG suffix which means it was a Stakeout AOW pistol when built. After consulting with experts on the...
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For the Record : The 870 Remington "Witness Protection" Scatter Gun Technology was first to "mass produce " the AOW with that form of butt stock for the US Marshall Service in 1980s. I think Tim La France first built a few maybe around 1979 era . Before that SBS were vertical pistol grips mostly.
View attachment 1186238 If we could afford such luxury for one this would be the way to go on the TAC 14"
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