LR308 vs Russian Tiger

[Magnuumpwr]

Which would be more accurate (barring human limitations) at 500 yds? The LR with an 18" barrel & 8x scope and the Tiger with a 29" barrel & 8x scope. This question came up yesterday and friends choice was Tiger and my choice was the LR. What do you folks in the know say?

 

[JeeperCreeper]

I'd think LR308. For the same reasons ARs are generally more accurate than AKs. Which one I'd rather own is a different story...

 

[dogmush]

A Tigr is not an AK.

With match ammo? Hard to say. It might come down to the individual rifle. I'd say probably the LR because it's thicker, stiffer barrel is better suited to groups. But a good Tigr is a pretty accurate weapon.

 

[MachIVshooter]

The .308 AR is an inherently more accurate platform, but the Drag/Tigr is no slouch. I would bet that if you fired ten samples of each, a .308 AR is going to average smaller groups. And, of course, if you spent as much on your .308 AR as a Tigr costs, you'd have a cream of the crop weapon that would almost certainly have a better barrel.

This is, of course, largely speculative, as I've never played with a Tigr myself. Neat rifle, wouldn't mind having one, but not about to drop $5k for it. Closest I had was a PSL, which was 2 MOA on a good day.

 

[henschman]

I would say the LR 308, assuming you're talking about one of the heavy stainless barreled free floated ones. Being free floated would give the LR a big advantage. Of course, as others have mentioned, if you're talking about spending the same amount of money on either, you could really trick out the LR, and could even re-barrel to a different caliber like 6.5 Creedmoor, that totally eclipses the performance at distance you get out of any .308 or 7.62x54 load.

For the relative cost, something like the LaRue OBR or a custom GAP rifle would make a much better comparison to the Tigr.

 

[stubbicatt]

As they came originally, the Tigers had a factory sheet with the accuracy results of an individual rifle noted. 3,8cm at 100m is about it. I guess if that is good enough, then great.

I am unfamiliar with the other rifle you mentioned. I hope this data is helpful for you.

 

[Aaron1100us]

Love my Tiger but I would think the LR308 would be a little more accurate. Never shot the 7N1 Sniper Ammo so I have no idea how accurate that would be out of my Tiger.

 

[mr.trooper]

Both are very capable 500 yard weapons. Both will do everything OP wants them to do.

OP - This is entirely a matter of your own opinion / style. We can't aswer that for you.

 

[kimberkid]

3.8cm = 1.5"

With the right load the AR is sub-moa ... but I don't know about the Tiger

As Stubbicat said, if that's good enough ...

 

[d2wing]

I have seen this on other threads and read tests of both. The LR308 hands down by a good margin.

 

[ifit]

On my Tiger 21" barrel, certificate/manual indicates.....as printed

Extreme spread of bullet hole on firing at a 100-m range (accuracy of fire) is 41mm. Which is about 1-5/8"

The optical sight is registered at a 100-m range with scale setting:
1) Lateral corrections - at division "0"
2) distance - at division "0"

Pretty sure if one was inclined to do some serious hand loads on finding the right combo, could definately shrink them groups and with better optics. But as-is from the factory w/scope is good enough

 

[Kabal]

My initial thought upon reading the thread title was: "Why would you hunt a Tiger with a LR-308?"

I've got an Izhmash Tigr in .308 with a 22 1/4" barrel and SVDS-style stock. Apart from the occasional lucky 3 or 4 shot group, it’s no sub-MOA rifle. Last year, I got to shoot it at a 520 yards match, but one of the screws on the side mount worked loose, so I can’t really tell you how accurate it is at these distances.

However, I’ve read an interesting article in a German gun magazine. They did a comparison between an original SVD, a Tigr in 7.62x54R, and two different Tigrs in .308.
The SVD and the Tigr in 7.62x54R were capable of 10-shot 1.5 MOA groups at 100 m with factory ammunition. This Tigr even produced a sub-MOA group with corrosive surplus FMJ if you discount one flyer. (The Tigrs in .308 were a tad less accurate.)

I’ve read an article on the LR-308A3 in another German gun magazine. The best 5-shot group from their LR-308A3 with an 18” barrel was 1.2 MOA at 100 m (well sub-MOA if you discount one flyer), but the rifle did worse with most brands of ammo. The Remington R-25 (which should be pretty much identical) scored a little better for some reason.

All by all, I would think that both guns are fairly evenly matched in terms of accuracy, although I would tend give the edge to the LR-308.
In terms of practical accuracy, the Tigr suffers a little because it doesn’t have a free floated barrel. Depending on the way you rest the rifle, your point of impact may vary, both in my experience and according to the aforementioned article. I have the suspicion that mine even loses some of its accuracy if I rest it on the front part of the handguard.
I don't know if the LR-308 suffers from the same problem if you don't have a free float tube.

 

[Thermactor]

LR308 without a doubt!

 

[Jackal]

The Tiger may be slightly less accurate, but it WILL be flatter shooting and hit harder at range.

 

[Cal-gun Fan]

Since when does a Tigr have a 29 inch barrel? The ones imported here all have 20" barrels and the original SVD has around a 24.

 

[d2wing]

Flatter and harder, well yes and no depends very much on the ammo. Everything I have read is the the Tiger is just a repackaged Dragonov. It is substantially less accurate as in 3MOA than the LR308, except with special sniper ammo then it is capable of 1.5 MOA which is much closer to the LR308. But I would be disappointed in an quality AR-10 type rifle that did not shoot at least 1 MOA or better. I personally have shot 1 hole groups with an issue M-14. I would expect close to that from an LR308. It would require an expert rated shot.

 

[WardenWolf]

A Tigr is not entirely a true SVD. They do not have the SVD's gas regulator and their accuracy is somewhat worse than a real Dragunov, doubtlessly intentionally. Tigrs could be custom-ordered, and some WERE ordered with the full-length barrel and military muzzle brake. So there are a few Tigrs that are visually indistinguishable from the military SVD.

If you want a better comparison, go with a Chinese NDM-86. That's a true SVD and also chambered in .308. If I were going for an SVD, that's the model I would get. They're full-on military models and capable of great accuracy.

 

[Thermactor]

A Tigr is not entirely a true SVD. They do not have the SVD's gas regulator and their accuracy is somewhat worse than a real Dragunov, doubtlessly intentionally. Tigrs could be custom-ordered, and some WERE ordered with the full-length barrel and military muzzle brake. So there are a few Tigrs that are visually indistinguishable from the military SVD.

If you want a better comparison, go with a Chinese NDM-86. That's a true SVD and also chambered in .308. If I were going for an SVD, that's the model I would get. They're full-on military models and capable of great accuracy.

Even the Chinese NDMs in 308 are completely cost uncompetitive for what you get. You would do way better with an AR for the money that you'd sink into the NDM.