Luger help

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G-Matt

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New to this forum but not new to tap talk forum I've been a member for a little while . Well any way I'm inquired about my late great uncles 9mm Luger . It's been in the family for over 50 years .
I've done some research on it & found out it's a DWM 1920 Luger which I believe it was an officers weapon . Because after the treaty of Vercie civilians were not aloud to have 9mm .
This is an all matching # gun , 1 mag, & holster all matching # s I've had it professionally cleaned & test fired . It's has minimal where on barrel & grip . It is missing the loader tool & 1 mag . Any one have any other information & a VALUE on the Beauty & historic piece .
I tried to post some pictures but couldn't . I forgot I have to go through photo book . I will try to figure that out and post at a later date
 
I think we will need some good pictures of the top of the gun, both sides, and the accessories. The 1920 date is a Weimar republic property mark.

Jim
 
Thanks Jim If i can figure out how to get them on I will . It has the 1920 date on top of the barrel & the DWM initials in cursive also
 
I think we will need some good pictures of the top of the gun, both sides, and the accessories. The 1920 date is a Weimar republic property mark.

Jim


What's the easiest way to send photos ?
 
Thanks Jim If i can figure out how to get them on I will . It has the 1920 date on top of the barrel & the DWM initials in cursive also


I was able to up load some pictures I can send some more later thanks .
 
Luger resale values vary widely based on stuff only a well studied enthusiast can see.
Simpson - whose prices are on the high side of retail, but they seem to stay in business - has 1920s from $1500 to $4000.
 
Luger resale values vary widely based on stuff only a well studied enthusiast can see.

Simpson - whose prices are on the high side of retail, but they seem to stay in business - has 1920s from $1500 to $4000.


My guess was at 1500$ I know there are many did different small markings & symbols stamped in the gun they check that tell a story . I guess I really need to find a Luger expert .
 
First some background. After WWI, the new "Weimar Republic" had a massive gun control problem. After the armistice, a lot of the Soldaten didn't wait to be mustered out, they simply went home, and a whole lot of them took their guns with them. So the country was awash with Lugers and various models of Mauser rifles. To try and get some control, a law was passed to pay a bounty for any military weapons turned in to the authorities. But then someone wondered how to keep the cops or the depot people from stealing the guns and turning them in again for another bounty. The answer was to mark guns that were turned in with the date of the law, as a kind of property mark, 1920, in addition to the original military markings.

But to make sure guns didn't just walk out of depots, the law also required that those guns already on hand that could be kept for the police and the small army allowed under the treaty of Versailles also be marked 1920.

So, we have those "double date" Lugers and Mausers, with 1920 under the original 1914 or 1917 or whatever.

Since police were allowed to have 9mm Lugers, many ex-military guns were reworked for police use. Reworking was not consistent. In some cases, the pistols were "scrubbed" of all old markings, in others police markings were applied and the old marks remained.

Still, the need for pistols apparently was not satisfied, and the government contracted with DWM to produce new Lugers, using wartime parts. Those were made and commercially proved as new guns, and were also given the property mark 1920. This time, though, there was only the single date.

IMHO, that is what you have, a Luger made for Weimar republic police by DWM in 1920. It has the correct Crown/N proof marks, and the sideplate safety required by the police to keep the gun from firing if the sideplate was removed. (Why this was a problem for police, I don't know; maybe the cops were just less safety conscious than the army!) Also it has the holster with, and numbered to, the gun, something that was done for new police guns, but not for reworks and not done for army issue.

There were only a few thousand of those guns, so they are a highly desirable Luger variation. Note, I said, IMHO, but that is based on the pictures, which are not very good. In this case, I strongly suggest you go to the Luger forum with better pictures and see what they say.

To complicate things, in that period, the Germans were desperate for hard currency and they reworked and sold thousands on thousands of reworked Lugers on the international market. Those are often called "1920 models" but they do not have the actual date on them, and most are in .30 Luger, not 9mm. Because there are so many, and they are reworked military pistols, their value is relatively low. But I think yours is in another category and more valuable.

Jim
 
Thank you so much Jim that's was very interesting & knowledgeable . I learned a lot & appreciate your time . I will check into the Luger forum about this gun and see what more I can find out . I will keep you updated . I know the pictures I had were not very good . They were some old ones I had on my phone . I will take some better one .
Thanks . Matt
 
You will want pictures of the markings on the bottom of the barrel, and also of any police markings on the grip straps.

Jim
 
I would insure it for 2 grand to start, based on the cost to replace it at full retail.

The matching magazine and holster are certainly adding to the value. Jim is right though Lugers are a varied and diverse market the 'value' is left up to experts at the luger forum.
 
FWIW, the Luger automation shows the breechblock opening before the toggle unlocks. That would be the way to a really neat Luger ka-boom (and can't really happen.)

Jim
 
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