Lyman Great Plains Flintlock Rifle

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It's big, it's heavy but will it shoot the Lee .54 REAL bullet; or do I need to stick to patched round ball?
Experience, opinions, hallucinations---it doesn't matter---all are welcome here.
-----krinko
 
I got a GP flintlock in 50 caliber about fifteen years ago. Not fancy looking but well made, reliable, and accurate. I've used it for BP silhouettes out to 100 yards. The rifle can hit the targets, which is more than I can say for myself, darn it. Never used anthing except patched round ball so I can't help with conicals.

Jeff
 
The GP has a 1:60 or 66 twist rate. It would not do well with a conical bullet, as the twist rate is too slow to stabilize a long bullet. The slow twist is indicative of a round ball barrel.
 
My caplock 54 shot the Lee Real very well. Even with heavy charges.

IronHand
That is a surprise to me. I have several frieds with GP's that have tried conicals in them and they couldn't get decent groups at 50 yards, and some of the bullets were key holing even at that range.
 
"The Lyman Great Plains is an excellent rifle, congrats."
Thanks, AF, I agree, it is excellent.

Tested the bore of the GP with a slug I use in the .54" paper cartridge Shiloh. The base of this bullet is .555" and it would drop free all the way down to the breech plug if I was dumb enough to let go of it. Hmmmmmm...
Round ball is looking better and better all the time.
Thanks for the replies
-----krinko
 
The Lyman GPR has what a lot of folks call a "slow twist rate" of the rifling. As such, it shoots patched round ball well. Now the twist rate in an of itself doesn't necessarily mean it would not shoot a conical bullet well. The Pedersoli 1853 "three band" Enfield rifle is a well known target rifle, and it shoots conicals well with an even slower twist rate than the GPR. ;) But the combination of the depth of the rifling, usually means that the GPR does not like conical bullets very often.

Lyman also makes the Trade Rifle, which is 1:48 twist, and it will often shoot a conical bullet well. IF you really want a rifle that will shoot both, that may be the better option, when it comes to versatility.

There is a myth that the 1:48 twist rate in any modern BP barrel is a "compromise twist rate" so the rifle can shoot either round ball or conical bullets well. That's true, a 1:48 twist rate will normally do well with both round ball and conical, but it is believed to have been the most popular twist rate for round ball rifles, because so many surviving antique rifles from the time before the conical bullet, have that or very close to the twist rate. The "compromise twist" idea was a marketing idea that works (imho), and continues to this day.

Advantage of the conical bullet. It's simpler to load. It was invented as a speed loading round for combat with rifled muskets. LONG after the conical bullet was readily available, hunters stuck with the patched round ball for large game, and especially for large, dangerous game. You are not going to get a fast enough reload to get a second shot at the large game. From my observations the folks that get a follow up shot are using double barreled rifles.

Possible advantage of the conical bullet..., more mass. For really tough hides like a boar, or really large animals such as Elk, Bison, or Moose..., some folks like that. The drawback is that most folks are going to need to up the powder charge 25% to 50% to get the trajectory they have with a patched round ball.

Do you need that extra mass? A .530 round ball is 224 grains of soft lead. That's a pretty heavy bullet in its own right. The lesser mass means faster muzzle velocity compared to a conical using the same powder charge, and a flatter trajectory due to shorter flight time to the target. Well, some say the heavier conical with go deeper into the animal while the round ball deforms a lot. They fail to understand that yes, all other things being equal, that sometimes is the case, but also the round ball shooter is quite capable of using a lead alloy round ball, that deforms less and penetrates deep as well. In a very short rifle, such as a TC White Mountain Carbine, or the Lyman Deer Stalker with 24" barrels, you may want that extra mass, as boosting that powder charge much above 80 grains may not give you a significant increase in velocity. In your case though, this doesn't apply with the 32" GPR barrel. ;)

Advantage(s) of the round ball. Better trajectory, and less recoil. You're using a rifle with a metal butt plate whether you use a GPR or a Trade Rifle. That recoil IS going to be a factor in your shooting enjoyment, and the question then is, if the deer don't know the difference and are downed just as well with a .530 round ball launched with 70-80 grains of 3Fg, compared to a 300+ grain conical bullet using 80-100 grains of powder, then why are you beating yourself up with all that recoil?

I have taken my fair share of whitetail with a .530 patched round ball and 70 grains of 3Fg. I can shoot all day and not wake up the next morning with a large shoulder bruise, and I can raise my arm over my head and wave goodbye to the other BP shooters at the end of the range day....some of the guys with the heavy conicals and the large powder loads can't say the same. :confused:

That's my two-cents. Other's results may vary....

LD
 
Good choice, the Lyman Great plains rifle in 54 should serve you well. They are usually quite accurate and I have always like their looks. :thumbup:
As LD mentioned, 70gr of 3f with a round ball will definitely do the job on deer.
 
I have the Lyman GP .54, but have not hunted with it. Most of my BP hunting has been with a TC Hawken that has a .54 Green Mtn slow twist (1:66) barrel. The TC shoots both round ball and the 295 gr Powerbelt very well and to nearly the same POI. I believe this is Because the PB is so short, it will stabilize in a slow twist barrel.

If the conical you want to use is light and therefore short, it may work.
 
Not wanting to be the spoiled sport, but a short time back Lyman had signifigant trouble with their muzzleloaders. They had a recall, still in effet most likely, and I had the misfortune of purchasing a GPR 54 cal whose serial number was in the recall. That was about two years back. You may want to google LYMAN MUZZLELOADER RECALL just to be on the safe side.

Hope your gun isn't one of the recalled ones.
 
use a 495 round ball. get some pillow ticking. boil in hot water ring out and dry. iron smooth. lube the cloth with your favorite lube. lay over the muzzle. put the ball on the patch. with your starter and a small rubber hammer tap the ball into the bore so about a 1/8 to 1/4 inch it is down in the muzzle. with a straigh razor or very sharp patch knife slice the patch off at the muzzle flat and clean. then down on the powder. do not tap the ball onto the powder, just place it on the powder. use about 80 grain of what ever powder you use. wipe between round with a damp patch and two dry patches. their your are the secret to shoot to 150 yards with you gun and if you hit a vital spot they will go down. every time. have fun.
 
PRBs will tend to give better groups. REAL bullets are stupid easy to use and require no patch or wad. Just rub some lube on them and shove them down. They will build lead up a little so you have to deal with that when cleaning.
 
I bought the Lymans GPR 50 cal 2 years ago. Bought it in the kit form. Really fun to build. I browned it over bluing it. I just shoot patched round balls. Accuracy at 75 yards was 3" or so. Good enough for me. I'm sure it could get better. A lot of people will flinch or pull off with a flintlock. I don't believe I did that but you never know. Anyways, to make a short story long, I like patched round balls.
 
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