M1 Garand or M1A?

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yeah, another one of these posts... ive saved up enough to buy either one this fall, not sure which though... wondering which one is the simpler, more reliable design, i know theyre nearly identicle, but surely there are some minor differences that would lead one to be just a little more reliable than the other... it appears the garand actually field strips easier... i also like en blocks, theyre so fast to reload, lighter than magazines, and so cheap

however, i can actually get an M1A brand new, not used, theres a lot more aftermarket for it as well, .308 is cheaper and more common, and overall it seems more accurate...

i guess the two being so similar actually make it a tougher decision.
 
The M1 is actually a little harder to field strip because of the internal magazine... it has a semi-complicated mechanism that you have to tinker with a few times before you figure out how it all goes back together.

As for reliability, any difference is negligible. I do know that you are less likely to bend an op-rod on an M1A though.

Another difference is that many M1As were made with chrome lined barrels, while no M1s had one from the factory (you can get aftermarket CL barrels for them though). None of the new Springfield Armory Inc. rifles come chrome-lined anymore though, so that isn't really an issue if you're thinking of buying from them. The only ones that came chrome were older SAIs, Norinco/Polytech, and the rifles made by the higher-end manufacturers Smith, Fulton, LRB, and 7.62mm Firearms.

Chrome lined barrels tend to help make feeding more reliable when the rifle is dirty, along with greatly increasing barrel life, corrosion resistance, and ease of cleaning. But nobody really complained about reliability with the old Chrome Moly barreled M1s, so take that for what it's worth.
 
How about ammo choices? Does an M1A eat off the shelf (Wal-Mart, etc) .308 better than an M1 with similar 30-06 rounds?

I seem to remember the M1 working best with a particular '06 load, and that turned me off in the past.

Then again, I may have misunderstood
 
Yes, the M1A will safely shoot more of the off-the-shelf commercial ammo than the M1 will. The reason is that the M1 is designed for the military load .30-06, which is considerably lighter and slower-burning on the powder charge than that cartridge is capable of supporting (which is why they were able to get the same ballistics out of the M-14 using a shorter case). Most commercial loads use the case more to its full potential. For the 7.62mm M1A, you don't want to go much heavier than the 170 grainers, but it will safely shoot any of the .308 loads with the lighter bullets.

Either rifle will safely shoot any ammo with an adjustable gas plug though.
 
M-14/M-1A's require the same powder considerations as the M-1. Bend a op rod for a M-1A -hens teeth comes to mind. It's bad enough finding one for a M-1. You could buy a real nice CMP M-1 and have money left over for Greek ammo.

My M-1's and the Greek surplus sold by the CMP shoots pretty good. Greek is issued for the National John C. Garand matches held at Camp Perry.

But I will agree, a M-1A on my short list of rifles to buy.
 
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If you could get either I would buy the M1A. More expensive but when will you have that much cash at one time again? I own both but was glad I bought my M1A when I did because I could never afford one now.

The Garand is an excellent rifle and the M1A is just an improved Garand.
 
Get a CMP Service Grade M1. They aren't making any more of them. Coolest rifle ever.

Save up and get an M1A later. Second coolest rifle ever.

:D :cool:
 
im with 1k.

the garand could kill the enemy 5 times before he hit the ground.

also there is an audible "kill bell"

here is a simple cross reference chart to help you keep count

1 bell = 8 bad guys killed
2 bells = 16 bad guys killed
3 bells = 24 bad guys killed

and so on.

for example, if you keed to kill 64 bad guys, just fire until the 8th bell, put rifle away, and go have lunch.
 
I like them both, they are both great rifles.

The M14 is a product improved Garand. Whatever small bugs were in the Garand design were fixed in the M14. The M1a is a semi auto version obviously.

I prefer beefy M1a stocks to the GI configuration. GI contour stocks are light.

The M1 trigger guard has weak receiver locking lugs that deform, the M14 has stamped fingers that do not deform.

The M14 gas system is better and allows more flexiblity in ammo, though neither rifle should be shot with bullets heavier than 175 grains and powders slower than IMR 4064.

The M14 operating rod is stiffer than a Garand.

Garands rattle more, match versions lose their tune sooner. I prefer the box magazine of a M14 type rifle.

Accuracy wise, rack grade M1a's are more accurate than rack grade Garands. There is not much difference between the accuracy of match versions except that the Garand is harder to shoot well as it kicks more. An issue Garand is a 3 to 4 MOA affair.

Get both. :evil:
 
by the sounds of it, you guys just verified what i was thinking.. M1 garand is cheaper with more history, but has parts that are a bit looser fitting and easier to break since many of them were produced to supply us for world war 2... and the M14 does have that stiffer op rod which i know is a PITA to replace.. i love the ping and enblocs of a garand, but it seems like the M14 would be the more durable, more reliable combat rifle in the end.. and more versitile with greater aftermarket

btw.. i say M14 as a general rule for all their semi automatic variants, as if im not mistaken, M1A is just the springfield version and about the only people that still make one now... so i think ill save the $1200 and get a standard M1A most likely with the walnut stock.. i dont like how plastic retains grit and grease.. and im not too interested in the new super tactical versions either, i like my fixed stocks and cant honestly figure out when or where i would ever need pistol grips, flashlights, lasers, or red dot sights... just give me a set of metal sights and im good to go
 
just give me a set of metal sights and im good to go

I feel the same way about the AR-15. Just give me a Service grade 20" rifle with A2 sights, and let's rock.

I'd love both of the rifles you mentioned, but I'd probably opt for the M1A standard like you're thinking about.
 
eb1, i wouldnt mind an AR-15 with a 16 inch barrel, not going to be a performance decrease but a little less weight and greater mobility... and people underestimate the 5.56 due to very little felt recoil in an ar-15, many failing to realize the design placing the recoil directly in line with your shoulder has a lot to do with it.. its just a very, very simple design... much, much easier to fix than most other guns too since you can buy replacement AR/M16/M4 parts just about anywhere, and specific factory specifications means theyre all practically drop-in... M14, AR-15.. love them both
 
Love em both, but here goes…
If both are fed properly and cared for half way decently, I don’t think one version is any better or worse than the other.
We will start with the what’s. M1A is a copyrighted name for the M14. In this discussion, a M1 is a M1 Garand, not a M1 carbine. That is a totally different beast and doesn’t begin to compare.
So we will go with both options being newly manufactured by Springfield Armory, the corporation in Illinois. Quality being the same, I would go with the M14, I mean the M1A. Only because the deficiencies, as minor as they are, were corrected, these break down to the gas system and ‘clip’. On the Garand (M1) the operating rod is one unit. On the M1A (M14) the operating rod is separate from the gas piston. I’m sure that this must be better, even if I don’t see it right off. Oh, yea, the gas is metered. But if I feed the weapon correctly, what difference does it make. And the big difference, the detachable magazine. I will go along with the magazine over the 8 round en-block clip, except when shooting prone or from a bench. Hum. So, we have the different chambering. The 7.62X63 is not as prevalent for reloading as the 7.62X52, that’s the brass only, everything else is the same. As I reload and 7.62 NATO is spewed by lots of military full automatics, surplus brass is easier to get. The target or game won’t know the difference.
The purist would never drill and tap a classic Korean IHC. Well, I wouldn’t. The M1A has a provision for mounting a scope.
Does this indicate that one is more accurate than the other? No, ammunition variables and how each weapon meshes with the different loadings make more difference in accuracy than the weapon.
Stop, one weapon will ‘like’ one type of ammunition better than another and your pet M? may shoot one hole at a thousand yards, where that other M? just can’t do it. For me, I can’t shoot one hole at a hundred yards with either my M14 or my M1. No matter the version, are you going to stress your weapon unduly? Feed it right and it will work for you for a long, long time.
If you want to work for the ultimate accuracy, get a bolt weapon. If you want the flattest trajectory and greatest velocity and most energy, get a bolt weapon. If you want a small piece of history and a magnificent Battle Rifle, get a M1 or M14 (M1A) or both.
Moving on, if you are looking at second/third/fourth/more-hand weapon, that weapon could be anything from a re-weld de-milled M1 to a copy of a M14 made by who knows. I will not go there. Just too may variables to consider here, collectors value, wear and abuse, major cost differences and on and on.
We must remember these things:
Both are ‘Battle Rifles’ for war. In a battle, hitting your enemy any place from the chin to crotch at 100 meters is fine. Yes we want better but that is what was needed.
Both the ’06 and the 308 will get the job done and well.
For hunting, both have a long history of taking big game.
The 30.06 has been the standard that everything is compared to for as long as I can remember and that’s been a while.
Which is best? The one that you have. Sorry, I can’t give you a definitive answer. My advice, get one now and save up and get the other one latter.
 
the Garand is harder to shoot well as it kicks more.

SF1, I'm going to disagree with you. Having shot both around the same time, I felt the M-14 kicked harder. I was thinking the M-1 would kick harder but I was wrong. Even my heavy 308 kicks more than any of my '06 M-1's.
 
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I agree that the M1A has a little more jump to it. I put the M1 and the Lee Enfield pretty much in the same recoil category. You know you just let off .30 cal rifle, but it isn't over whelming. The guns weight and length just allow for more control to me.

Man, those are fun rifles to shoot. You have one tough decision to make. :)
 
never owned an m1a, but i have a couple of garands.

they have the most unique feel of any semi-auto rifle ive ever fired. i dont quite have the right words to describe what shooting one feels like.

maybe like shooting a 30-06 rifle with a motocross bike shock built into the action somehow.

or like shooting a high powered semiauto rifle while drinking an unusually smooth bottle of kentucky bourbon, except you can hit everything you can see at will.

the first time i ever fired mine was at a range that i frequently visit, and there were probably 20-25 shooters up and down the line. i got settled in, resting the rifle on sand bags to see how it would do, and had a bud spotting for me as i could not see my hits at that range. after my 5th shot he told me to stop and put the rifle on safe, so i did.... i turned around and said "whats up"... he was just grinning and said "they are all touching" thats when i realized that at least half the shooters had left their benches and were all standing behind me watching, including the range master and owner. the owner, a korean war vet said "looks like you got a keeper".

they are absolutely exquisite
 
FlyinBryan:

Buying either type never really interested me until touring (standing in) the actual fox holes and other skirmish sites of the "Band of Brothers" E Company, and F Company:confused: (who?), by Bastogne Belgium in May '09.
We were on this excellent tour hosted by a Flemish guy (Reg) who personally knows some veterans and memorized their battle experiences.
Many Europeans do appreciate our veterans' sacrifices (this was Reg's motivation to learn).

After that very interesting tour, despite the advantages of the M-1A, there was no question or doubt in my mind.
 
I'm voting for the M1a because it's a more modern weapon that can pretty much be integrated into the 21'st century with mods and a current military caliber. Also, you can use commercial ammo which is a great plus!
 
The Garand is part of American history. Both of my Grand Fathers carried them in WW2. The Garand was also built HERE and maybe Canada. The M1A's parts are from all over the world, with the majority coming from Taiwan.

In my eyes there is no question of which rifle to get. On the other hand, LRB of Long Island, NY makes killer M14s from the ground up. They are PRICEY though. I may pick one up one day.
 
I currently own a M1A Super Match. Having been introduced to military rifles in Boot Camp with the Garand and then being issued the M14 once in the fleet I prefer the M14/M1A. My rifle has been very reliable and quite accurate. I've enjoyed the heck out of it ever since I bought it. The 20 round box magazine is a big plus in my mind as well. Both are classic rifles.
 
whats the likeliness of an M1 garand fitting into a more modern M1A stock?... also, if the op rod is more improved, is it at all a possibility to use an M1A op rod on a garand?... if so, for the price of the M1A i could probably get a garand with a poor condition stock and shot out barrel fairly inexpensively, rebarrel it to a chrome lined .308 barrel with new op rod, placed into an M14 stock and have the advantages of the later rifle, with the history of the old?

this would be a perfect solution to me because i like en blocs, theyre so inexpensive, so light weight, reloading is faster.. and sure its only 8 rounds, but if im not mistaken you can top it off one at a time, right?... so if for example it was taken into battle and you fired off a few rounds, could you single load a couple more or would you have to eject the entire clip?... and i love the fact that with just the push of a button you can actually eject the entire clip
 
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