M1a Scope mount issues/problems

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I recently have come into the posession of an m1a with Springfield alluminum mount-no scope. I purchased a Valdada super m2 to sit atop my girl. Here's the problem:

The gun is zeroed with iron sights aproximately centered.

The scope is zeroed with crosshairs WAY low and to the left...so much so that the BDC has reached its mechanical limit at 700 meters.

The inconsistency between irons and glass leads me to believe I have a mounting issue. Blame myself or the mount?

Troubleshooting advise? Would a better quality mount (SMITH) provide adjustments so that the crosshairs would be better centered AND zeroed?

Thanks all
 
Unless you're buying a top of the line mount, it's going to be a total crapshoot with an M1A. It's almost certainly the mount.
 
Another M-1a scope mounting problem (again)

From the Sadler website:
They are precision machined to fit on any M14(military) or M1A(civilian version of the M14) rifle that has been machined to the original GI specifications. Unfortunately, not all current M1A receiver manufacturers adhere to the GI specifications particularly in the area’s of the stripper clip guide and left side surface and the left side horizontal groove.
 
i bought a sadlak mount and i'm still having problems. the springfield rifles are made with receivers that are slightly out of spec so a gi spec mount won't fit. i'll be sending my entire rifle and scope to sadlak to have them custom machine the mount and/or the rifle to fit. smith enterprises does custom machining as well. i highly recommend you go ahead and bite the bullet and ship the rifle if you're set on having a scope on your m1a. it's expensive but it'll save you pulling your hair out and it won't drive you to drink.
 
the springfield rifles are made with receivers that are slightly out of spec so a gi spec mount won't fit.

Funny, mine all work. The SA mount is a POS and should be tossed. (3) best mounts for an M1A:

Smith Enterprise
Sadlak
ARMs #18

Spend the money for a quality mount and rings and you should be GTG. I use Badger rings with a Smith mount and my DMR clone is GTG...

Mace
 
the springfield rifles are made with receivers that are slightly out of spec so a gi spec mount won't fit.
Everything Springfield makes is "out of spec". Rifles, pistols, mounts....
 
Yeah, I've heard that later M1A's have odd recievers but having earlier rifles, I have not found this to be the case so as far as I know, out of spec recievers are still to me only scuttlebutt.
Now as far as Springfield scope mounts. I've had Gen.1 and Gen.3 mounts and in both cases, both were a POS. I finally got a Brookfield mount (back when they were going for about $250 or so) and IMHO, they are the best mounts ever made for the M-14/M1A. However, today they are scarce and even when you do find one, you are going to pay a hefty price for one. I think either a Smith or ARMs mount would be an acceptable substitute though.
 
I've had quite a few Springfields of all types over the years. The early ones were the best, the newer stuff is extremely hit or miss.

Their pistols are the worst, as their frames are usually way out of Colt/GI spec for size. Their QC has really been bad lately too. Of the last five 1911's I've bought, four have had problems, and my Loaded model was a total POS, even having trouble feeding hardball.

I had an 80's M1A Bush rifle and have a NM target rifle from the same time period that were/are great rifles.

I have a SOCOM that has for the most part, been fine, but it has its little problems. For one, you need tools, a six pack and a Quaalude to take it down. The op rod is so tight, it needs a lot of careful help to get it out. It shoots OK though.

The stock it came with is actually pretty comical. Springfield SWEARS its not a done over USGI glass stock. Funny, but it has the forward cutout for the linkage, you can see where the selector cutout was filled, and after a few rounds, the ejected brass knocked off the crappy black paint and the good old GI brown is showing through. They also thought it would be a good idea to grind the molded in checkering off, making the grip to narrow.

The "Scout mount", boy oh boy, SWEAR? Springfield SWEARS that its GI "1913 picatinny" spec. Funny, everything I have that is wont fit right on mine. All my ARMS lever mounts and rings wont stay tight, and my LaRue lever mount wont even go on because the spacing of the slots is wrong. It works fine with Weaver mounts though, which is what I think it is.

For me, I'm done buying anything from them. At least anything thats "new". I will miss calling them up and listen to them tell me over the phone its everyone elses "crap" thats screwed up though. :)
 
mace,

either you have older springfield products or you got VERY lucky. i bought a sadlak mount and larue rings for my loaded model m1a and with just the mount on it, you can actually SEE that it slopes downward. that's how bad it is. if i had more money, i'd be sorely tempted to sell the rifle and get a fulton armory m14. don't get me wrong. the rifle is solid it's just that the receiver is so out of spec that gives me a headache. matter of fact, the mount itself is very solid, it just won't point the right direction because the stripper clip guide portion of the receiver is way too high.
 
10-4

(1) Fulton Bush, (1) SA Bush, (1) SA DMR clone...SA's are a bit early and GTG....

Mace
 
lrb makes m14(m25) receivers with the picatinny rails milled on the receiver itself:

600_M25_angle_2.JPG


http://www.lrbarms.com/
 
Arms #22 mount / springfield 3rd gen mount

I just ordered a set of Arms #22 scope mounts. I happily took them out of the packaged and tried to put them on. They won't fit! What's the deal with the Springfield mount? It's not weaver it's not picatanny? Where do you find rings that will fit on this mount?

Davy
 
Everything Springfield makes is "out of spec". Rifles, pistols, mounts....

I'm sure it happens but it is not common and its usually just someones ignorance on how to install a USGI mount on an SAI M1A.

The stock it came with is actually pretty comical. Springfield SWEARS its not a done over USGI glass stock.

Until last year or so SAI's synthetic stocks were refinished USGI stocks, this is not a secret, they do have their own version made now. But I would rather have a refinished USGI, I don't doubt the final handful of USGI refinished were probably the bottom of the barrel.

The op rod is so tight, it needs a lot of careful help to get it out.

Yes that is the way it needs to be on the civilian versions because the op rod dismount notch is in the rear not the middle of the track it rides in. A loose op rod tab is not a good thing. It is not hard to remove after you break it in a bit.

Funny, everything I have that is wont fit right on mine. All my ARMS lever mounts and rings wont stay tight, and my LaRue lever mount wont even go on because the spacing of the slots is wrong. It works fine with Weaver mounts though, which is what I think it is.

Yes it is a Weaver mount so no your picatinny stuff will not fit get Weaver rings.

This is what usually happens someone rants and it turns out the things they ran about are not really anything. I am not sure who you spoke with at SAI but they are known for good customer service.

glad to hear you didn't have to go through the infuriating process many of us m1a owners have.

I think it is you who is in the minority here complaining of things that are no even issues. My SAI made in 8/2008 is really solid. I had a bunch of USGI parts that I sold because the SAI parts are good to go.
 
I just ordered a set of Arms #22 scope mounts. I happily took them out of the packaged and tried to put them on. They won't fit! What's the deal with the Springfield mount? It's not weaver it's not picatanny? Where do you find rings that will fit on this mount?

Once again ditch the SAI mount and buy a Sadlak, SEI, ARMS or Bassett. And btw it is really a weaver mount, if you want rings to fit it buy Weaver rings.
 
I have some weaver scope rings but they don't seem to fit either. I suppose I will sell the SA mount and get something better. Thanks.
 
I'mand its us sure it happens but it is not common...
Unfortunately for me, its been a common thing, rifle or pistol, and I've owned a number of their guns over the years. The early guns were fine, and I still have a couple of them, the later guns were the issue, and I was foolish enough to continue buying them.

Until last year or so SAI's synthetic stocks were refinished USGI stocks, this is not a secret....
It was apparently a secret to some at Springfield. Back in the 90's (as best as I can remember), when their first "synthetic" stocks started showing up with the butt plate removed and the recoil pad installed, I call and asked about them, mainly because I didnt like the recoil pad and wanted to know who made them and if the standard butt plate would fit. I was told they were Springfield made stocks, and the butt plate would fit without issue. I got the same answer when I called about my some issues with my SOCOM.

Yes that is the way it needs to be on the civilian versions because the op rod dismount notch is in the rear not the middle of the track it rides in. A loose op rod tab is not a good thing. It is not hard to remove after you break it in a bit.
BS. I've owned a number of other M1A's, and every one came or comes apart without tools, except my SOCOM. I know of others that have the same issue with their later M1A's.

I also shot the hell out of my SOCOM, and it never "broke in", and always required a tool to get it apart.

Yes it is a Weaver mount so no your picatinny stuff will not fit get Weaver rings.
Well it would be nice if they would put that in writing, and better yet, hang a tag stating so on the rail, so you dont go out and spend the money for something that wont work and is usually a good deal more money than the cheaper Weaver type mounts. Better yet, inform their own people to the fact, so they wont tell us it is when we call.

Since the M1A is a military type rife, and sold and advertised as such, and shown with those type accessories, you would "think", that they were using parts that would accept things considered "mil spec", as everyone else does. All my other rifles will readily accept the mil spec mounts and rings without issue, only the Springfields have been a problem.

This is what usually happens someone rants and it turns out the things they ran about are not really anything.
Lets see, I spend about $500 in mounts, that I'm "told" by the company's customer service department that makes the gun, that they should fit without issue, I spend hours of my time fiddling with them and then waste a bunch of ammo trying to get them sighted in, and I get agitated, and I'm ranting!? How long have you worked for Springfield? :rolleyes:

I am not sure who you spoke with at SAI but they are known for good customer service.

I keep hearing how great their customer service is. So far, I havent been so enamored with them as many seem to be. First off, as far as I'm concerned, the best customer service department is the one you never have need of, or if you do, its very seldom. I've called them on a couple of occasions with questions, and was told totally incorrect things, and I've sent guns back, and had them come back just to do exactly what I sent it back for when it returned. I've had some come back and they did a good job. Whole point is, I shouldnt have had to send them back in the first place, or even bother with a phone call. I've never had to call Colt, Armalite, HK, or SIG, with as much as a question, let alone send something back, and I've owned quite a few more of their guns than I have of Springfield.

I think it is you who is in the minority here complaining of things that are no even issues. My SAI made in 8/2008 is really solid. I had a bunch of USGI parts that I sold because the SAI parts are good to go.
So buying a $1500+ rifle and having it not work out of the box as you'd expected, is a non issue to you? Well no wonder Springfield is still chugging along turning out what they do!

Just curious, but at what point would something become an issue for you?
 
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