M2's found in ice (Kansas)

[50 Shooter]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/31/machine.guns.ap/

MILFORD, Kansas (AP) -- A fisherman found a heavy machine gun on the ice of a creek near Fort Riley, and sheriff's deputies later found two more.

The three Browning .50-caliber guns were all in working condition, Geary County Sheriff's Lt. Sandy Popovich said, but none was loaded.

Sheriff Jim Jensen said he did not know how the guns got there, and the Army's Criminal Investigation Division is looking into the matter.

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers owns the land, Jensen said, and soldiers from Fort Riley have used it for training. All three guns were found in an area accessible to the public.

The guns were turned over to the Army.

Popovich said the fisherman found the first machine gun Wednesday morning at Madison Creek, about two miles north of Milford. He gave it to the sheriff's department, which searched the area and found a second gun under the ice and the third in the grass on the creek's bank.

Jeff Coverdale, a Fort Riley spokesman, said no missing weapons had been reported to his office.

 

[Marko Kloos]

Finders keepers....

 

[DRZinn]

Yeah, who would find a working Ma Deuce and not keep it???

 

[Wildalaska]

Yeah, who would find a working Ma Deuce and not keep it???

Probably the same type of good honest Americans that would return a lost wallet, intact.

O sorry I forgot. lost or stolen or misplaced guns that belong to someone else are fair game.

WildeverhaveagunstolenAlaska

 

[Ivy Mike]

I would hate to be caught playing with one of those.

prison doesn't sound like fun.

 

[PMDW]

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=118321

I'd have kept them.

 

[DRZinn]

O sorry I forgot. lost or stolen or misplaced guns that belong to someone else are fair game.

Let's see:

1. They belong to the government. Someone is screwed anyway, and won't be any less screwed if they get the guns back.
2. They belong to an individual. The individual won't get the guns back anyway.

 

[Warbow]

DocZinn wrote:

Yeah, who would find a working Ma Deuce and not keep it???

Uh... Someone who doesn't want to risk getting convicted of a felony (among other charges), have their collection confiscated, then spend some time in a federal prison and never be able to legally own any firearms again? In other words: a person with a bit of common sense.

 

[txgho1911]

In a creek just outside a base might find it's way into a barrel of oil and grease to rest for many moons under more than 6' of landscaping on tha piece of land in the country. I am sure those pieces where planted for later retrieval for stashing. To simple to just fall off a truck or two.

 

[Wildalaska]

They belong to the government. Someone is screwed anyway, and won't be any less screwed if they get the guns back.

Sorry if they belong to the giv't I (and many others) paid for em and with the government they belong.

They belong to an individual. The individual won't get the guns back anyway.

How do ya know...maybe they are stolen from an individual entitlted to posess same?

Theft is theft, missapropriation of a lost or stolen item is theft also. So I understand your posotion: Its OK to steal guns from the goverment or individuals?

WildorwereyajusttalkinoutyerbuttAlaska

 

[AF_INT1N0]

Sorry ya'll I'd be really darn tempted to oil and then bury them.

 

[115grfmj]

On a lighter note....

I wouldn't keep it because I NEED TO EAT. Have you seen the price
of 50 cal. ammo latley, even the cheap yugo stuff. Damn you'd
need another job just to feed it. Also doesn't really fit in to any
ccw scheme, could you imagine the covering garment needed

 

[Bullet]

I was out fishing the other day and lost 3 of my guns. Did someone find them? Just kidding. I'll bet someones in big trouble.

 

[DRZinn]

WA, at least you have an appropriate sig - right after "WebMaster"....

I look at it like this: If something is lost, it's lost. Either you have a chance of recovering it (you left your wallet sitting on top of your car) or you don't (you dropped your keys into the ocean). If it's something you have a chance to recover, I either won't touch it or I'll help you recover it. If it's something you have no chance of ever recovering, it's already gone. Then I may or may not try to get it back to you, but by keeping it I'm not depriving you of anything. Depends on how charitable I feel that day. The day I read this thread, I wasn't feeling very charitable. Today I feel like I'd give the guns back. If I found them? Who knows.

 

[Mike Hull]

Too bad the person that found them didn't know that you can get a reward from the ATFe for turning stuff like that in to them. All you have to do is give them the location, and put in for the $$.

That rule has been in place over 40 years(I think), but you never hear about it.

 

[Wildalaska]

Depends on how charitable I feel that day

Honesty shouldnt depend on mood swings. Yer either a thief or yer not.

I prefer to be honest and condescending.

WildfinderskeepersisforfiveyearoldswhodontknowbetterAlaska

 

[DRZinn]

If I take it from you, I'm a thief. If I take it from the river, I'm just lucky. Unless you think the owner stashed them there...

 

[Wildalaska]

Whatever, glad to see that todays youth has moral values. Must be something different in the schools, when I was a kid, I was taught that if ya find something, you turn it in.



WildlostandfoundAlaska

 

[denfoote]

Honesty is the best policy!!!

Whatever, glad to see that todays youth has moral values. Must be something different in the schools, when I was a kid, I was taught that if ya find something, you turn it in.

Exactly!!
You and I are on the same page here!!
I DID find a wallet with in excess of $100, in a restroom, when I was but a wee sprite. Just like self defense, the training kicked in, and I gave it to my mom to turn in!! After the person claimed the wallet, he gave me $20 as a reward. To a small child, this was a fortune!!! Honesty does pay off!!

 

[yorec]

The three Browning .50-caliber guns were all in working condition, Geary County Sheriff's Lt. Sandy Popovich said, but none was loaded.

Maybe the fishermen did have a little fun with 'em before reporting them after all? You know the best way to unload a M2, right?

 

[Mikul]

I would have turned it in... eventually.

 

[Joe Demko]

Morally, I believe the right thing to do would be to turn the guns in. Wild's right.

Morality aside, any fun to be had from the guns would be incredibly outweighed by the legal risks of being caught with them.

 

[13A]

During REFORGER in 1984, a unit that shared our barracks left an M60 behind when they performed a night move. Someone had put it under the ramp of an M577 track. They closed station, raised the ramp and left the M60. A German kid found it and took it to the German police.

Oops!