Makarov decocker?

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The Sig p220 REQUIRES the use of the decocker to be safe. Does the Makarov safety work in similar fashion. It seems using the safety works as a decocker.
I carry it lever down (safety off) one in the tube. I have heard the trigger must be pulled for the pin to fire. Is this true in all conditions?
 
I'm not sure I understand what your asking. The Makarov does not have a firiing pin block. If the safety is disengaged, the firing pin is free floating. The safety, when engaged, blocks the hammer from hitting the firing pin, but as far as I know the fring pin still floats and is not locked. I know many who carry the Mak with hammer down and safety off, but I am so used to swiping off a safety in all my guns that I engage the Mak's safety when I carry it.
 
It's what Pilot says. If you have the Makarov on safe, it would take force hard enought to break the safety lever for the hammer to hit the firing pin. IIRC, the safety lever is made of steel. If the gun was dropped down a *really* long flight of metal stairs, *maybe* the gun would be knocked off safety, and *maybe* it would hit at just the right angle to drive the hammer into the firing pin. I find both events extremely unlikely. I carry with one in the tube, hammer down, safety on, and I clean the firing pin channel regularly.

jmm
 
The Makarovs I have examined have a rebounding hammer safety that prevents the hammer from contacting the firing pin unless the trigger is in the fully rearward position.

The firing pin is NOT locked, so theoretically it might have enough inertia/momentum if dropped from a considerable height at precisely the right angle onto a hard surface to pop a primer.

However, a blow to the hammer or a drop on the hammer will not cause the gun to fire unless the blow is sufficient to break the internal parts which prevent the hammer from contacting the firing pin except when the trigger is fully rearward.

You can verify that your Makarov has this feature.

With the gun unloaded and the safety off, dryfire the pistol (either DA or SA) but DO NOT release the trigger. While holding the trigger completely depressed, push the hammer forward. It should go fully forward from the rebounded position and contact the slide/firing pin.

Now release the trigger and push forward on the hammer again. This time it shouldn't move forward by any appreciable amount. If it does, your particular Mak variant may not have the feature, or the gun may be malfunctioning or broken. If the hammer does move forward with the trigger released, it's probably time to see a gunsmith, but at the least, don't carry the gun with a round chambered and the safety off.
 
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I don't have a Mak yet, but have been researching them in anticipation of getting one. I came across an item in the FAQ on makarov.com that addresses the safety of the lack of a firing pin safety in these guns (got that?;) )

Take a look here for one man's experience:

http://www.makarov.com/makfaq.html

Basically, he dropped his Mak muzzle down 200 times from table height to 10 feet, and never got a primer-only cartridge to discharge. The firing pin is quite lightweight, and a fall from an "ordinary" height simply doesn't generate enough inertia (I know that's probably not the technically correct term) to smash a primer hard enough to set it off. In this context, I think that going down a long flight of stairs would be series of very short drops.

This is only one test with one gun, but it makes me feel pretty comfortable that if I get one it would be safe to carry it with one in the chamber.
 
If I might be allowed to amplify my last remark: I acquired a Mak (Bulgarian) a couple of days ago and find it a very pleasant (and accurate) gun to shoot, and a very interesting design to study.

As JohnKSa noted, the hammer is of the rebounding type, meaning that it does not normally rest against the firing pin but stands back about 3/16 inch. A hammer block prevents it from moving forward past that point unless the trigger is held fully to the rear. On firing, the hammer's momentum will carry it forward enough to smack the firing pin, at which point the normal recock/reload cycle begins. But if the round doesn't go off (or you're dry firing), the "parking" spring kicks in and moves the hammer back to the 3/16 inch point, and as soon as you release the trigger the block moves into place and locks the hammer from further forward movement.

So yes, what you heard is true - the gun will not fire unless the trigger has been pulled (and held) all the way to the rear.

Note that while it may not be a recommended move, this design also permits the lowering of the hammer fairly safely without using the decocking lever (if, for example, you wanted to avoid the monstrous "clank" that accompanies the hammer fall.) If you hold the hammer securely under your thumb while you release the trigger, then ease the hammer just slightly forward, and then take your finger completely off the trigger, the trigger will move forward as you ease the hammer down, and the hammer block will be fully in place before the hammer gets to its rest position. So even if the hammer slips from under your thumb (not too likely, given the substantial ribs on the top of the hammer) it will be blocked from hitting the firing pin. This is the same sequence that allows lowering the hammer on a modern double action revolver (I'm familiar with the innards of S&W, but suspect others are similar) where there is a hammer block that is out of the way only while the trigger is at its full rearward travel, and once the trigger starts to move forward the hammer block begins to engage and insure that the hammer stays off of the firing pin (or cartridge, for hammers with integral firing pins.).

In order to fire a Mak from hammer down you must either cock the hammer with the thumb (pretty convenient to do, actually, unlike some larger guns) and go on with short, relatively light "single action" shooting, or pull through the long, "double action" trigger pull for the first shot. This is virtually impossible to do by accident, as the pull is both long and heavy (but pretty smooth and with only a slight increase in weight toward the end.)

As for me, if I get a holster for the Mak I will comfortably carry it with one in the chamber and the safety lever down (off) so there's one less thing to thnk about when going into action. If I were accustomed to swiping a 1911 safety off as Pilot is, I'd carry with the safety on too, to keep the manual of arms consistent.
 
Actually, what heard isnt true. Makarovs can go off without pulling the trigger....but it takes a "just perfect" situation.
The hammer/sear is locked the safety. It also moves in the way of the firing pin so the hammer cant contact it. But, this has nothing to do with the movement of the firing pin floating on its own. There is NO firing pin safety to prevent this movement. If you drop a mak 6 ft or so....safety on or off, and it hits just "wrong, it can fire a round. Gunboards has quite a bit of info on this one. Do a search and you should be able to find it.
I still carry mine, chamber loaded and safety off................it is THAT safe.
I dont plan on dropping my gun off of a balcony in the near future.........:D.
Shoot well
 
If you drop a mak 6 ft or so....safety on or off, and it hits just "wrong, it can fire a round.

The only way I can picture that happening is if some foreign material were driven up between the decocker and firing pin. The firing pin protrudes when a round is chambered so I suppose it would technically be possible...but it would indeed need to be a bizarre set of circumstances.

I drop mine all the time out of clumbsiness. So far, it has never gone off. Knock wood.
 
PRCCW,

You are correct, as I noted in my post. However, I suspect that it would take more than a 6 foot drop and the gun would have to land on a hard surface muzzle down.
 
Nothing has to get between the firing pin/safety lever. Its nothing but inertia or the weight of the free floating firing pin and enough of a hit to drive it towards the round. When that happens.........it can fire a round.
Shoot well.
 
The firing pin from my Bulgarian Mak weighs 40.8 grains or 2.64 grams, according to my Dillon scale.

Anybody know how much impact energy it takes to set off the softest primer, and how to do the math to figure the fall it would take to get a Mak firing pin up to that energy? I suspect it would take a helluva fall, plus the gun landing straight down on the barrel, to actually generate a discharge. But it has been too long since I knew how to do the math.
 
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