I understand that most departments, if not all, require receiving a tazing before an officer is authorized to carry a tazer. Does anyone here think that this new information about heart damage will change that policy, or is it not a problem since officers are shocked only once?
Man dies after being tasered 9 times.
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I understand that most departments, if not all, require receiving a tazing before an officer is authorized to carry a tazer. Does anyone here think that this new information about heart damage will change that policy, or is it not a problem since officers are shocked only once?
I carry a taser and personally think they are good tools overall. As for the statements questioning the number of times the subject was tased - I have been tased twice. I have not tased anyone but have been involved in multiple situations in which people were tased. One of which a subject was tased 8 times. This particular subject had assaulted multiple people and battered a pregnant woman in a convenience store. When the first officer arrived on scene the subject attacked the officer with a club. Rather than using lethal force the Officer was able to subdue the subject with the taser. However even after the subject had been tased 8 times it still took 6 officers to hold him down and we were forced to carry him into the jail. Later we found out he was on PCP.
Point is regardless of how many incidents occur where drugged up individuals die after being tased, more people are being kept from injury because of tasers. There is no perfect tool that will safely subdue every violent individual. As police officers we are not doctors and cannot diagnose every violent subject we meet and then use "appropriate" measures based on the subjects conditions. We have a job and an obligation to the people we serve that has to be fullfilled even if injuries occur in the process.
As an officer every fight is a fight with an armed subject. you do not have the option of losing. If you lose, the bad guy has your gun. you have to end the fight as quickly as possible, with as little injury as possible, while taking all steps to ensure success. And then back up those decisions to everyone else who likes to pick apart the decisions you made in a split second under stress. It's not hard to decide what an officer under attack should have done while you're sitting safe at home in front of your computer is it.
and to all the police haters on the board - why don't you do a few ride-alongs with your local department. I'm sure it will open up your eyes a little. At least then you can make judgements understanding both sides, as the rest of us do.
Stay smart.
Point is regardless of how many incidents occur where drugged up individuals die after being tased, more people are being kept from injury because of tasers. There is no perfect tool that will safely subdue every violent individual. As police officers we are not doctors and cannot diagnose every violent subject we meet and then use "appropriate" measures based on the subjects conditions. We have a job and an obligation to the people we serve that has to be fullfilled even if injuries occur in the process.
As an officer every fight is a fight with an armed subject. you do not have the option of losing. If you lose, the bad guy has your gun. you have to end the fight as quickly as possible, with as little injury as possible, while taking all steps to ensure success. And then back up those decisions to everyone else who likes to pick apart the decisions you made in a split second under stress. It's not hard to decide what an officer under attack should have done while you're sitting safe at home in front of your computer is it.
and to all the police haters on the board - why don't you do a few ride-alongs with your local department. I'm sure it will open up your eyes a little. At least then you can make judgements understanding both sides, as the rest of us do.
Stay smart.
A bit over 30 years ago, long before Tasers and in what might be called the "nightstick era", I rode with the Austin, TX, PD. "Buddy Patrol", they called it. Get "just folks" to see what it's like.
I was amazed at the number of people who would have been let go without much bother--but by their own mouth music created some sort of probable cause for an arrest. Amazing! It would be easy to come to believe there are some people who just WANT to check out the inside of a cell!
A few years later I saw a bar fight/police confrontation with a guy on PCP. Again, pre-taser. That was probably the worst brannigan I've ever seen, and that includes Aussies vs. Pommies in Kobe, Japan. The guy was indestructible! Finally, four cops and a half-dozen bystanders weighted the guy down for cuffs and leg-tie.
Better a taser than a bullet, seems to me. Better odds of living through one's own stupidity...
Art
I was amazed at the number of people who would have been let go without much bother--but by their own mouth music created some sort of probable cause for an arrest. Amazing! It would be easy to come to believe there are some people who just WANT to check out the inside of a cell!
A few years later I saw a bar fight/police confrontation with a guy on PCP. Again, pre-taser. That was probably the worst brannigan I've ever seen, and that includes Aussies vs. Pommies in Kobe, Japan. The guy was indestructible! Finally, four cops and a half-dozen bystanders weighted the guy down for cuffs and leg-tie.
Better a taser than a bullet, seems to me. Better odds of living through one's own stupidity...
Art
We live in a free country and yet the police can demand to see you papers BS
If you aren't doing anything you should have to prove anything. We no longer live in a free country The Police dress like military commandos and treat people with no respect. I am THE MAN do as I say or else. Now show me your papers comrade! Yep thats the new America takeing little kids to jail or zaping them with a taser and Killing people for standing in the street and doing nothing but being a citizen Mean while ilegals run the streets committing crimes and we leave them alone and our borders open for the terrorist and more ilegals. But lock up the kidds for drawing pictures and ZAP people who won't show papers.
If you aren't doing anything you should have to prove anything. We no longer live in a free country The Police dress like military commandos and treat people with no respect. I am THE MAN do as I say or else. Now show me your papers comrade! Yep thats the new America takeing little kids to jail or zaping them with a taser and Killing people for standing in the street and doing nothing but being a citizen Mean while ilegals run the streets committing crimes and we leave them alone and our borders open for the terrorist and more ilegals. But lock up the kidds for drawing pictures and ZAP people who won't show papers.
Sorry, Michael T, but your bucket's got a hole in it. You don't have to carry papers if you're not driving a vehicle. The courts have long held that it is proper police usage to ask somebody who they are, but papers are not required.
I have been around interactions of cops'n'folks since back in the Hippie daze. I've yet to see any violence initiated by the cops. Somebody did something out of line to attract attention and then things escalated from there. Sometimes cops have not exercised proper restraint, but that wouldn't be newsworthy except for its being unusual. And it is indeed unusual.
Hey, we got 300 million people in this country. If you add up crooks, idiots and crazies, that's probably 30 million that ain't worth a hoot ridin' or walkin', and that's on a good day. We got, what, a hundred thousand non-federal cops, nationwide? Two hundred thousand? I dunno. Anyhow, I'm not gonna get excited over a couple of cop-wrongs a week--if it's even that many. Somebody can maybe run the numbers, but I'd have to say we're doing danged good, overall.
Find me that perfect world; I might move there.
Art
I have been around interactions of cops'n'folks since back in the Hippie daze. I've yet to see any violence initiated by the cops. Somebody did something out of line to attract attention and then things escalated from there. Sometimes cops have not exercised proper restraint, but that wouldn't be newsworthy except for its being unusual. And it is indeed unusual.
Hey, we got 300 million people in this country. If you add up crooks, idiots and crazies, that's probably 30 million that ain't worth a hoot ridin' or walkin', and that's on a good day. We got, what, a hundred thousand non-federal cops, nationwide? Two hundred thousand? I dunno. Anyhow, I'm not gonna get excited over a couple of cop-wrongs a week--if it's even that many. Somebody can maybe run the numbers, but I'd have to say we're doing danged good, overall.
Find me that perfect world; I might move there.
Art
I tried, but they wouldn't let me wear my cape.
It's a conspiracy to keep the real crime-fighters down! :banghead: Gotta go, have to get on the "Matt-bike" and patrol for evil.
Local news tonight was doing feature on Tasers and they said since 1999 that 90 people have died from Taser being used on them. Any idea how many people the police have killed in shootings since 1999. I also would like to know has Taser been sued like the gun companys for these deaths.
The FBI (the ones who investigate any civil rights violations which may result from the use of OC and TAZER), are the ones who set the standard which all must go by, have investigated every “tazer death†since its official inception into LE.
They have attended autopsies and coroners inquiries as well as unofficial medical hearing conducted by hospitals which received the tazed victims and they concluded after all was said and done that on one has died as a direct result of being tazed.
All who have died during a confrontation which LE deployed a tazer were found to have had preexisting “serious†medical deficiencies or in most cases an already lethal level of a given narcotic in their system.
When OC was introduced into LE in the early 90’s I can remember everytime someone used it and the person later died the same BS was tossed about, Oh mercy!!! The OC is killing folks!!!
Nearly all who were OC’ed who died, did so because of preexisting medical conditions which the officer had no way of knowing about and beside if the person was in such bad shape, why were they causing a situation where the officers had to use OC?
My state is in the process of trying to introduce legislation, which would ban LE form using any type of tazer, now thinks about this….
I carry OC, an ASP baton and a firearm.
If someone is verbally resisting me or using any type of passive resistance the FBI says I can use OC prior to placing my hands on them, if I feel that a person is about to become physical with me or is threatening me with any level of physical force the FBI again says I can deploy my ASP baton, if say a guy who is much larger than me is becoming combative with me and it is clear to me that I would loose any physical fight with him the only option I have left is deadly force, which I would then be justified in using, due to the size discrepancy and the potential of me loosing my weapon in any fight with this subject.
If I had a tazer this guy could be subdued w/o any further injuries or loss of life.
Which sounds more reasonable, me tazing him or filling him full of Gold Dots?
A quick point on the ASP Baton, I’ve used it three time in my career and all three times I broke legs and arms on the individual who was physically resisting me. This caused far more damage than any tazer would have and hurt them well beyond any thing the tazer would have done to them. Notwithstanding the fact that now the city (the taxpayers) had to foot the ER bill to have his broke bones tended to.
They have attended autopsies and coroners inquiries as well as unofficial medical hearing conducted by hospitals which received the tazed victims and they concluded after all was said and done that on one has died as a direct result of being tazed.
All who have died during a confrontation which LE deployed a tazer were found to have had preexisting “serious†medical deficiencies or in most cases an already lethal level of a given narcotic in their system.
When OC was introduced into LE in the early 90’s I can remember everytime someone used it and the person later died the same BS was tossed about, Oh mercy!!! The OC is killing folks!!!
Nearly all who were OC’ed who died, did so because of preexisting medical conditions which the officer had no way of knowing about and beside if the person was in such bad shape, why were they causing a situation where the officers had to use OC?
My state is in the process of trying to introduce legislation, which would ban LE form using any type of tazer, now thinks about this….
I carry OC, an ASP baton and a firearm.
If someone is verbally resisting me or using any type of passive resistance the FBI says I can use OC prior to placing my hands on them, if I feel that a person is about to become physical with me or is threatening me with any level of physical force the FBI again says I can deploy my ASP baton, if say a guy who is much larger than me is becoming combative with me and it is clear to me that I would loose any physical fight with him the only option I have left is deadly force, which I would then be justified in using, due to the size discrepancy and the potential of me loosing my weapon in any fight with this subject.
If I had a tazer this guy could be subdued w/o any further injuries or loss of life.
Which sounds more reasonable, me tazing him or filling him full of Gold Dots?
A quick point on the ASP Baton, I’ve used it three time in my career and all three times I broke legs and arms on the individual who was physically resisting me. This caused far more damage than any tazer would have and hurt them well beyond any thing the tazer would have done to them. Notwithstanding the fact that now the city (the taxpayers) had to foot the ER bill to have his broke bones tended to.
To clarify, the Texas Penal Code (Ch. 9), states that it is not legal to resist unlawful arrest by a peace officer, except "when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the peace officer's (or other person's) use or attempted use of greater force than necessary".
Good luck proving that one in court. Better have some bullet holes in ya.
Good luck proving that one in court. Better have some bullet holes in ya.
Gee, Oleg,
Seems like an awful lot of cops around here lately. I guess I must be weird, but I've read some history, and also know that the vast majority (all except one) of my ancestors arrived on this continent before steamships or COPS were invented. I'm glad you've shown up lately and set up this venue for all to gripe and complain, but may I remind you of yer other site wherein you mention having your relations murdered by COPS?
Sorry, boys and girls, I am and always shall and will be a coprophobe and cop hater,(with individual exceptions for peace officers just keeping order in public)
Un-English.
Un-American.
Completely Irregular.
French.
That describes police to any thinking Englishman of the time we cut loose from England because the government of England was being, well, cop-like!
Seems like an awful lot of cops around here lately. I guess I must be weird, but I've read some history, and also know that the vast majority (all except one) of my ancestors arrived on this continent before steamships or COPS were invented. I'm glad you've shown up lately and set up this venue for all to gripe and complain, but may I remind you of yer other site wherein you mention having your relations murdered by COPS?
Sorry, boys and girls, I am and always shall and will be a coprophobe and cop hater,(with individual exceptions for peace officers just keeping order in public)
Un-English.
Un-American.
Completely Irregular.
French.
That describes police to any thinking Englishman of the time we cut loose from England because the government of England was being, well, cop-like!
If ya dont want to get tasered by the cops, dont act like a violent uncontrollable criminal......
Chances are you go through life as a normal human being and you wont hardly have any interaction with the police other than to say hi
WildneverbeentaseredAlaska
Chances are you go through life as a normal human being and you wont hardly have any interaction with the police other than to say hi
WildneverbeentaseredAlaska
WilddoesnthaveaclueAlaska:
Sir, you have no idea what it's like living in an unreal policerepublican midwestern golf-Nazi town like this one. I have been seriously, scarily accosted by skin-headed badge-thugs of half my IQ, half my age, and twice my size for daring to conspicuously comply with the law in front of them!
Yes, they did blatantly lie to me 3 out of 4 times, and we both knew it.
I must say, one was honest.
Sir, you have no idea what it's like living in an unreal policerepublican midwestern golf-Nazi town like this one. I have been seriously, scarily accosted by skin-headed badge-thugs of half my IQ, half my age, and twice my size for daring to conspicuously comply with the law in front of them!
Yes, they did blatantly lie to me 3 out of 4 times, and we both knew it.
I must say, one was honest.
Maybe the guy in question was scarily dangerous.
Maybe he was just weird? Maybe he just tried to give a good account of himself for being hassled for no crime other than standing still? I hope he got some good licks in before they killed him.
Maybe he was just weird? Maybe he just tried to give a good account of himself for being hassled for no crime other than standing still? I hope he got some good licks in before they killed him.
The City of Toledo has the potential to sue the deceased's estate for his unreasonably low resistance to electrical shock.
Orthonym, I've done a lot of travelling in my time; my first wife's inlaws lived in Hollywood, Florida and then in the Keys and then at Lake Placid. I finished college at Gatorland.
Given my lack of problems with cops here, there and yonder around the U.S., about all I can suggest is that you either ask yourself why you seem to be such a target--or move to where the "cop-titude" is different.
Dangifino. People just seem to be people, whether in the U.S., Europe or Asia. I smile and tell jokes and stories about Texas, and they buy me beer...
, Art
Given my lack of problems with cops here, there and yonder around the U.S., about all I can suggest is that you either ask yourself why you seem to be such a target--or move to where the "cop-titude" is different.
Dangifino. People just seem to be people, whether in the U.S., Europe or Asia. I smile and tell jokes and stories about Texas, and they buy me beer...
, ArtOh, Art, I've figured out why I'm a Target.
See that Asperger's thread I started. Then think that I'm a Southerner in a very rude, Yankee, artificial, Florida-Real-Estate-Bandit loathesome tourist town, and, well, I do try to love my neighbors in the Christian sense, as in the Parable of the Samaritan, but as a natural man, I hate their Goddamned-Yankee loathesome-creepy bullying accent-that-hurts-my-ears evil golf trash police-Republican guts.
Yes, I do still insist that being ostentatiously careful to observe the law should get one a nod, a smile, and a wave from a policeman, not false imprisonment.
See that Asperger's thread I started. Then think that I'm a Southerner in a very rude, Yankee, artificial, Florida-Real-Estate-Bandit loathesome tourist town, and, well, I do try to love my neighbors in the Christian sense, as in the Parable of the Samaritan, but as a natural man, I hate their Goddamned-Yankee loathesome-creepy bullying accent-that-hurts-my-ears evil golf trash police-Republican guts.
Yes, I do still insist that being ostentatiously careful to observe the law should get one a nod, a smile, and a wave from a policeman, not false imprisonment.
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