Man with antique gun killed in casino shootout.

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http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/article/20051208/NEWS/112080032


Harvey Ex, a felon killed by two law enforcement officers during a shoot-out Saturday at Harrah's Lake Tahoe, was turned away from at least one gun shop before buying an antique gun that he reportedly used to wound the two deputies.

Richard Brengman, owner of Special Interest Arms in Gardnerville, said Ex appeared at his shop Friday around 6 p.m. The man was quiet and spoke little, Brengman said. At that hour the computer system used for background checks was inaccessible.

"He was sent away empty-handed," Brengman said.

Ex lived in Southern California. Out-of-state residents cannot buy handguns over the counter in Nevada, according to gun shop employees.

The .32-caliber gun Ex eventually obtained at Guns of Tahoe, near Round Hill, and used to shoot five rounds at the two Douglas County sheriff's deputies is so old it doesn't have a manufacturer's stamp on it, sheriff's Sgt. Tom Mezzetta said.

Reached Sunday, Guns of Tahoe dealer Woody Peterson noted something "didn't seem right" about Ex. He contacted police dispatchers after the sale. Peterson could not be reached Wednesday.

The gun Ex had in his possession had a top break, meaning rounds were loaded into the top of the gun by cracking it "like an egg," Mezzetta said.

Brengman was surprised the old gun could fire five shots.

"I'm pretty impressed he bought an antique gun that would work that well," Mezzetta said.

Because the weapon was classified as an antique, Ex was exempt from a background check. Legislation mandating background checks for gun purchases doesn't apply to guns made before 1898.

Brengman said antique guns aren't considered dangerous, are usually purchased for decorative purposes and can be mailed to interested buyers.

Antique guns are "like poker chips of deceased casinos," Brengman said. "They're nothing. They're like a lump of metal."

Ex was killed from the nine bullets deputies Erik Eissinger and Dan Nelson fired at him after Ex fired his first shot. The shooting took place inside Harrah's Lake Tahoe Diamond Lounge on Saturday afternoon.

Casino security was notified by a female companion of Ex who said he was armed and displaying suicidal tendencies.

John Morreale at Gun Trader in Reno said he wouldn't have sold Ex a gun because it's the store's policy to conduct background checks on people purchasing fixed-ammunition guns.

"I don't care if it's an antique," Morreale said.

Both dealers said any person intent on buying a gun, who has the funds to do so, can get their hands on a firearm.

"It's no different than buying drugs. If you want to buy crack it's against the law but you can do it," Morreale said.

"There's no such thing as gun control," Brengman said. "There's only people control ... If you have $3,000 in your pocket and you want to buy a gun tonight somebody will sell you one."

But according to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, Nevada can take more steps to ensure gun safety. In January, the organization advocating safe gun use gave Nevada a poor mark on laws protecting families and juveniles from gun violence.

"Nevada can improve its grade next year by banning assault weapons and rapid-fire ammunition magazines, requiring background checks at gun shows and requiring child-safety locks to be sold with guns to prevent unintentional shootings," said Amy Ehlers of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence at the time of the report's release date.

Twenty-three states joined Nevada with a grade of D. In comparison, California received an A- for banning assault weapons and requiring handgun buyers to obtain a safety license among other things.

Nevada was praised for holding adults responsible if they leave loaded weapons around children and enacting gun ordinances, the report stated.

Zach Ragbourn, a spokesman with the organization, said its often up to states to enact laws to protect its citizens from gun violence.

"(The Brady Bill) falls short in many ways," he said. "It could take years for Congress to address the issues and we don't know how many criminals will get guns while Congress waits."

Ragbourn anticipated Nevada receiving the same grade.

"There was not a single moment this year where Nevada solved a huge (gun) problem," he said.

Brengman believes more laws will not deter determined people to obtain a gun.

"The thing about loopholes is a farce because you can buy one any time," he said.
 
So much extraneous information I could barely follow the story. I almost feel like asking "what happened"?

How bad were the two deputies wounded? What was their condition? Are they expected to survive? It appears that the real story isn't as important to the author as is detailing what a handful of control freaks on the other side of the country want for everybody else who had nothing to do with this situation? Is that about the size of it?
 
The guy used an antique gun that was made before 1898 yet they blather on about assault weapons and rapid fire ammunition magazines. How stupid can you get.

By the way, what is a rapid fire ammunition magazine?:confused:
 
By the way, what is a rapid fire ammunition magazine

I used to have a ramline 50 round drum for my 10/22 that would fall out of the gun and rapidly fire the ammunition all over the ground.
 
Bradyite logic:

Problem: Criminal using .32 revolver manufactured before 1898

Solution: Confiscate rifles with protruding handgrips from the law-abiding.

:banghead:
 
>>Antique guns are "like poker chips of deceased casinos," Brengman said. "They're nothing. They're like a lump of metal."

Think he'd stand in front of someone firing, say, a Colt Dragoon at him? :scrutiny:

But still, the response is likely to be idiotic. Instead of hitting CRIMINALS harder, just blame the guns. Wonder if they'll push to revise C&R, now. :barf:
 
Ex lived in Southern California. Out-of-state residents cannot buy handguns over the counter in Nevada, according to gun shop employees.
What is it with "journalist" today? They finally make a correct statement about gun laws and then have to make it sound suspect by tagging that it was merely the statement of some biased "gun shop emplyees." After all, we wouldn't really expect them to know anything about gun laws. :rolleyes:

Twenty-three states joined Nevada with a grade of D. In comparison, California received an A- for banning assault weapons and requiring handgun buyers to obtain a safety license among other things.
Yet this statement is presented as a law of nature, about as in question as gravity.


Having a name like "Mr. Ex" would be pretty cool, though. :cool:
 
If I was going to buy an antique gun to use for nefarious reasons it would be a little more robust than a top break .32.
 
This so-called 'reporter' just wanted to promote the Brady Center's positions and rail against the laws in Nevada. The events in the story where not explored becuase he did not care about them, and only used them to hang his bias on.

Does no one have an editor anymore?
 
jsalcedo said:
http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/article/20051208/NEWS/112080032

Ex lived in Southern California. Out-of-state residents cannot buy handguns over the counter in Nevada, according to gun shop employees.

The .32-caliber gun Ex eventually obtained at Guns of Tahoe, near Round Hill, and used to shoot five rounds at the two Douglas County sheriff's deputies is so old it doesn't have a manufacturer's stamp on it, sheriff's Sgt. Tom Mezzetta said.

Reached Sunday, Guns of Tahoe dealer Woody Peterson noted something "didn't seem right" about Ex. He contacted police dispatchers after the sale. Peterson could not be reached Wednesday.

The gun Ex had in his possession had a top break, meaning rounds were loaded into the top of the gun by cracking it "like an egg," Mezzetta said.

Brengman was surprised the old gun could fire five shots.

"I'm pretty impressed he bought an antique gun that would work that well," Mezzetta said.

The last time I inquired about buying an antique weapon capable of firing fixed ammo (a 'blackpowder framed Colt in 45 LC with alot of honest wear) I was told by the shop owner "because the ammo is readily avaliable this revolver has to be 'yellow formed' even though it was made before 1898." I would think that .32 S&W ammo is still "readily avaliable" and and that old top break (used to call them suicide-specials) would fall into the yellow form/check category. I've heard of ex-felons buying black powder guns because of the loophole in the Federal law that says they are not 'firearms' so no background check/yellow form needed. There is a recent case of a 'meth-lab owner' shooting a customer with a cap & ball revolver (Colt Replica). The "non-firearm/antique" did what it was designed to do when Wild Bill had the real thing.:what:

kjeff50cal
 
Casino security was notified by a female companion of Ex who said he was armed and displaying suicidal tendencies


Thats the important part of story Guy sets up a suicide by police Case solved and didn't take a hour. Can I join CSI now.
 
GregGry said:
I am bitting my lip right now.

He he. Don't worry. You might improve NV's grade, but good luck getting an A. Heck, CA only got an A- last time I checked.
 
I think, in order to get an A+, the police have to be required by law to go door to door, shooting anyone suspected of even thinking about taking a passing interest in buying a firearm for any reason.

~GnSx
 
Colt Dragoon........ or a Walker.

The Colt Walker was the most powerful handgun until the .357 mag.
60 grs. FFF behind a .454 ball.:D
 
I think in NV they'd have to start by banning full-auto, and then work on the "assualt weapons". I believe I have one of them "rapid-fire ammunition magazines" - a 69 round drum for my Uzi. Of course another guy here dumps Beta Mags out of his M16 and that's pretty awesome. :)

Screw Brady! CA may be conforming but we won't. Even Reid is somewhat pro-gun. Heck when I walk in a casino I'm better armed than the guards!
 
Well, unless I am mistaken allow me to be the first to say congratulations to the two officers for shooting straight and for doing it right from the sound of it. My hat goes off to them. I hope both of them are alright and that no one else was injured in any way.
 
PA = F?

Twenty-three states joined Nevada with a grade of D. In comparison, California received an A- for banning assault weapons and requiring handgun buyers to obtain a safety license among other things.

I'm hoping PA gets an F.

LOL, I went to the Brady site and we get a D+.
 
Yanus said:
Colt Dragoon........ or a Walker.

The Colt Walker was the most powerful handgun until the .357 mag.
60 grs. FFF behind a .454 ball.:D

What about the .455 Webley service revolver, 1887 or so? 265gr bullet...I would seriously not want to be in front of one of those. Low muzzle velocity, but that's less shooting someone and more like hitting them with a brick. :D

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one cop was shot in the face

another in the leg, both are expected to recover.

I'm glad NV got a D grade from bradybunch, thats why I moved here.
I was at a bar tonight (to see a band I don't drink) & I carried my glock.
there was a huge fight down the street.6 to 8 people involved. could've gotten ugly- If they had wanted to involve me
 
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