A friend called me tonight knowing I'm an enthusiast offering up a family member's Marlin #1 416 Rigby for $600. Obviously condition is a big factor in value but assuming its in decent shape is it a good deal? I've always wanted a lever gun and I don't own anything THAT big yet so I'm interested but I've googled everything I could think of and can't come up with a value. Any help?
Marlin #1 416 Rigby good deal?
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airedaleman
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Marlin? I doubt that! Try Ruger...
dubbleA
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The #1 has a lever on it, at least mine in 416 Rigby does. 
redneck2
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I suppose it has the "my dog is bigger than your dog" factor.
It would ungodly expensive and brutal to shoot. IMO, it's only good for show & tell. If I were to hunt with a .416, I'd want something with at least two rounds.
Long, long ago I shot "Ruger only" hand loads in a #1 in .45-70. I would suspect it was equivalent to maybe 3-4 slug guns at once. The guy said it duplicated the .458 Win mag. I was black and blue from the top of my shoulder to my rib cage the next day. This would be well beyond that.
It would ungodly expensive and brutal to shoot. IMO, it's only good for show & tell. If I were to hunt with a .416, I'd want something with at least two rounds.
Long, long ago I shot "Ruger only" hand loads in a #1 in .45-70. I would suspect it was equivalent to maybe 3-4 slug guns at once. The guy said it duplicated the .458 Win mag. I was black and blue from the top of my shoulder to my rib cage the next day. This would be well beyond that.
Alright...totally confused now. So Marlin never made a lever 416? I'm not a fan of Ruger products based on past experience. No room in my safe for anything else Ruger unless its a revolver. I'd but it to flip it if it was a good deal. If in fact it is a Ruger is $600 something I could make money on?
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At $600? No.
hardluk1
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To dicount a ruger #1 or a model 77 express would not be a wise move as ether could bring 100% to 300% profit depending on model and condition.
browningguy
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A Ruger #1 in .416 is a very good rifle, used would probably sell in the 600-700 range though so not much room on it. They make excellent deer and pig hunting rifles loaded down.
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Marlin definitely never made a levergun in .416 rigby. Its in a completely different league than a .444 or .45-70. I assume you aren't at that familiar with the cartridge. The recoil would probably be way too brutal for the casual shooter, and the .416 rigby is expensive to shoot. If you don't handload, you are looking at at least $6/ round. Handloading won't be cheap either, as you'll be spending $2 a piece for brass, probably $1 per bullet, plus powder and primers. But as browningguy said, you could load it down to relatively tolerable levels if you handload. So if you are into that sort of thing, $600 isn't a bad price for a Ruger no 1 in nice condition, as they are usually in the $900-$1000 range new I believe. If you don't really know what you are getting into, I'd probably stay away from it. But if you really like recoil and don't mind pricey ammo, I'd go for it.
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Honest opinion here please don't take this wrong.
If don't know what a .416 Rigby is or that it takes a special built magnum sized action just to fit it in a bolt rifle. I don't think you have any business shooting or having one in a light weight falling block like a Ruger #1.
This a serious caliber in light for caliber rifle and it will not be fun for you to shoot or feed. MHO is let this one walk away.
If don't know what a .416 Rigby is or that it takes a special built magnum sized action just to fit it in a bolt rifle. I don't think you have any business shooting or having one in a light weight falling block like a Ruger #1.
This a serious caliber in light for caliber rifle and it will not be fun for you to shoot or feed. MHO is let this one walk away.
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It can be done in a Ruger #1. It would be fun to watch you shoot it.
Got to hold one in .500A2. 600 grains, 2400 fps. The idea was it's a bear defense gun. You get one shot. It rips from end to end on the bear, and keeps going, leaving a huge hole. The recoil was around 150 ft-lbs. If you miss, at least you won't be awake while the bear eats you.
A .416 Rigby is 400 grains @ 2400 fps. I suspect in a 6-7 pound rifle, you would notice when you pulled the trigger.
Recoil Energy of 93 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 30 fps.
I've shot guns like that, usually at elephants and cape buffalo.
The .416 Rigby is a pretty amazing round. Flat shooting, hits hard, and in a decent weight rifle recoil isn't as brutal as the next step up, 458 Lott.
Ross Seyfried settled on the .416 for Africa after trying, and designing near everything. It shoots very flat, so it works for plains game or the heavies.
I'd look up ammo prices before you buy.
I don't think this guy is really your 'friend'.
Got to hold one in .500A2. 600 grains, 2400 fps. The idea was it's a bear defense gun. You get one shot. It rips from end to end on the bear, and keeps going, leaving a huge hole. The recoil was around 150 ft-lbs. If you miss, at least you won't be awake while the bear eats you.
A .416 Rigby is 400 grains @ 2400 fps. I suspect in a 6-7 pound rifle, you would notice when you pulled the trigger.
Recoil Energy of 93 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 30 fps.
I've shot guns like that, usually at elephants and cape buffalo.
The .416 Rigby is a pretty amazing round. Flat shooting, hits hard, and in a decent weight rifle recoil isn't as brutal as the next step up, 458 Lott.
Ross Seyfried settled on the .416 for Africa after trying, and designing near everything. It shoots very flat, so it works for plains game or the heavies.
I'd look up ammo prices before you buy.
I don't think this guy is really your 'friend'.
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Agreed, 100%.
Seems my friend, who is not a gun guy, mixed uo the details when he reported the deal to me. He knows I'm a collector and enthusiast and figured I'd be the most interested party he knows. He called his brother (the owner) and got square on the info. You are right, it is in fact a Ruger. Comes with a box amd a half of ammo and the brass from the half box already fired. I'm going to check it out this weekend. If it's in decent shape I'll probably pick it up as an investment. I've dug up some other dope on it online now that I know what platform it is and most folks seem to be happy with it. I do reload and really should be spending my funds on a scope for a 7mm mag platform I want to start building for. I figure I might be able to pull another $100 or 2 out of it on a flip. It'll be re- sold with at least one less round and one more piece of brass though
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If I were going to Africa or perhaps BIG bear hunting in Alaska or Siberia or someplace, I'd love to have a rifle in .416 Rigby. Since I will almost certainly never do those things...
I'd also like a double in 440-400.
One is allowed to dream.
I'd also like a double in 440-400.
One is allowed to dream.
I have owned my Ruger #1H Tropical in .416 Rigby since '97. I love it!
Catalog weight for the #1H is 9.25-9.75 pounds, and then if we add a scope and rings, it's well over TEN POUNDS. Not really a lightweight, is it? Much of that weight is in the barrel, which is just fine in a heavy-recoiling rifle.
MSRP on the #1H is $1300, so $600 looks good if the condition is decent. The rifle is no longer listed in .416 Rigby.
My rifle has now fired about 1500 rounds; the vast majority were cast-bullet loads, but a few hundred were Speer softpoints and Barnes X-bullets of various weights. One load had the Barnes X 300-grain departing at a CHRONOGRAPHED 3000 fps. There's a long-range elk load! Yes, it was rather abrupt behind the butt.
Brass (all Norma, in my case) lives a VERY long time. I have yet to wear out any of my 100-or-so cases over the course of those 1500 rounds.
Accuracy is excellent.....my standard cast-bullet load uses the RCBS .416-350 design, casting at 365 grains in my alloy. Velocity is 2050 fps....a lot like a good .45-70 game load, and it places TEN bullets in a one-inch group at 100 yards. This, with a Leupold fixed 4X scope.
This is not a rifle for everyone, and especially not a non-handloader, but I am a NUT and normal rules-of-thumb don't apply to rifle nuts. Factory rounds cost $5 to $10 EACH......my rifle has never seen a factory cartridge, and I doubt it ever will.
Catalog weight for the #1H is 9.25-9.75 pounds, and then if we add a scope and rings, it's well over TEN POUNDS. Not really a lightweight, is it? Much of that weight is in the barrel, which is just fine in a heavy-recoiling rifle.
MSRP on the #1H is $1300, so $600 looks good if the condition is decent. The rifle is no longer listed in .416 Rigby.
My rifle has now fired about 1500 rounds; the vast majority were cast-bullet loads, but a few hundred were Speer softpoints and Barnes X-bullets of various weights. One load had the Barnes X 300-grain departing at a CHRONOGRAPHED 3000 fps. There's a long-range elk load! Yes, it was rather abrupt behind the butt.
Brass (all Norma, in my case) lives a VERY long time. I have yet to wear out any of my 100-or-so cases over the course of those 1500 rounds.
Accuracy is excellent.....my standard cast-bullet load uses the RCBS .416-350 design, casting at 365 grains in my alloy. Velocity is 2050 fps....a lot like a good .45-70 game load, and it places TEN bullets in a one-inch group at 100 yards. This, with a Leupold fixed 4X scope.
This is not a rifle for everyone, and especially not a non-handloader, but I am a NUT and normal rules-of-thumb don't apply to rifle nuts. Factory rounds cost $5 to $10 EACH......my rifle has never seen a factory cartridge, and I doubt it ever will.
I have one in a Ruger #1. I shoot 385 grain cast bullets with gas checks. I don't consider the recoil too bad, but I don't load them to max either -- Rigby brass is just too expensive not to get a bunch of loads out of it.
If you don't reload, you need to price ammo for it. If you do reload and don't cast, you need to price bullets. Be prepared for the sticker shock.
If you don't reload, you need to price ammo for it. If you do reload and don't cast, you need to price bullets. Be prepared for the sticker shock.
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416 Rigby is a reloaders dream. I have the CZ Safari and love the round. The case capacity will allow you to create loads considerably hotter than factory if you are inclined. otherwise 300 or 350 grain projectiles loaded down make a great brush gun for anything in the states. A bit expensive but lots of fun. The Ruger #1 is easily strong enough for this round. The rifle is a bit light but if you take the time to learn how to hold and shoot the big guns, discomfort can be minimized. Even if you had some bad Ruger experiences, I doubt that the #1 will be one of them. It is a solid and handsome rifle. $600 is as high as I would go but would buy it at that price.
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I have run 400 grainers to slightly over 2600FPS in my #1, the recoil gets your attention.
H&Hhunter:
It is an older rifle (1940's? I think) that belonged to a client of my grandfathers when he was employed overseas. It is also heavy, and barrels are about twenty-five inches. The stock and forearm are in good shape, but rather plain. It sat in a safe for many years, so one day I took it to our club when a group of collectors were meeting to learn about it. Two older gentlemen (one from England, the other from South Africa) were very interested, and at a later date brought ammunition to try it out. I fired half a box (ten rounds), and it was quite a blast! Instead of selling it, it is on display in one of the gentlemen's sporting rooms. As he has a bunch of old doubles (Merkel's, Fox, and a bunch of others) they call it "The Rigby .416"
It is an older rifle (1940's? I think) that belonged to a client of my grandfathers when he was employed overseas. It is also heavy, and barrels are about twenty-five inches. The stock and forearm are in good shape, but rather plain. It sat in a safe for many years, so one day I took it to our club when a group of collectors were meeting to learn about it. Two older gentlemen (one from England, the other from South Africa) were very interested, and at a later date brought ammunition to try it out. I fired half a box (ten rounds), and it was quite a blast! Instead of selling it, it is on display in one of the gentlemen's sporting rooms. As he has a bunch of old doubles (Merkel's, Fox, and a bunch of others) they call it "The Rigby .416"
A lot of dangerous game rifles are sold with half a box of ammo. It's a good thing this one comes with ammo:
http://www.midwayusa.com/find?sortby=1&itemsperpage=20&newcategorydimensionid=9840&
The cheap stuff is $4 a round, going up to $10 per shot!
http://www.midwayusa.com/find?sortby=1&itemsperpage=20&newcategorydimensionid=9840&
The cheap stuff is $4 a round, going up to $10 per shot!
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